i used to win at this game?

*Last edited by bode on Tue, 04 Aug 2009, 11:32am; edited 1 time in total*

So i've been meaning to start an operation for a few weeks now. After starting the year off well up like $5k, i've done what i do every year after a decent start, and after yesterday i'm officially losing money this year. I'm probably down like $2k or so at poker and just barely down in BR after Rakeback. My confidence has been pretty high the last few weeks playing even after a miserable april and a spewy may, but after dropping 10 buyins yesterday i'm just depressed. Not in a real life way, but in a poker mindset way. I dont really let poker affect my life negatively (after that first hour or so after a bad session), but my confidence is shot and i want to get my game back together.

I've played like 100k+ hands this year at 1/2nl on FTP, and although i have stretches where i play really well i always end up choking and either straight spewing or slowly leaking all my winnings away. I've been getting some coaching from Renton of the past few weeks and after only 2 sweat sessions, i feel like i'm thinking about the game better. He nailed one of my big problems (among many others) our first session. I have some sort of crazy passive tilt i go on where i start calling too many 3bets and bluffing way way way too much. While yesterday wasn't all that, it def. contributed to my worst day ever. I'm going to continue with Renton as long as he will take me on as a student, so hopefully this is the bottom and i can only go up.

I don't really know where im going with this, just venting i guess. I have had an operation or 2 in the past, and they have helped my keep some accountability, so i'm hoping this one will do the same. I plan on posting a hand or 2 every time I play, and every time i make a dumbass play I will post it to hopefully discourage myself from doing it again in the future. I dont really play on making this soley a BR building op, but that will obv be part of it. I started the year with an $8200 BR, its been as high as $13k, and is now at low point of $7800. I moved up to nl200 with a $5k BR, but if i drop below $7k i'm going to move back down to nl100. I've never been a BR nit before, but damn i feel like one all of the sudden.

Anyway, hopefully i can get a few people to stop in here every once in a while and help me figure this shit out. I know i have what it takes to win at this game, and i have no one to blame but myself.

bode

As for yesterday, I usually have a 4 BI stoploss for a day but i let that slip. I played about 500 hands in my first session, dropping a BI immediately w/ QQ<AK, got back to even, then got coolered, whiffed a huge draw and had a 3 barrell bluff picked off within the coarse of 100 hands and was down like $750. After taking a 2 or 3 hour break i came back focused and within the first 100 hands whiffed another 15 out draw and ran into the top of a spaz 4bet monkeys range when my AJs<AKo. Oh well, it happens sometimes so i kept playing since i felt i was playing well only to run into 2 more shitty spots for stacks and then make a bad play in a 3bet pot to lose another putting me down $1970 on the day. My biggest losing day ever by about $500, so needless to say i was pissed.

i have the next 3 nights free to play some pokers, so i'm going to focus and try to work on inching my way back to even for the month.

Gl man.

I will definitely be keeping track of this OP. I find it interesting seeing struggles at higher level poker (no offense...but I like to see that you guys are struggling with the same things we struggle with down at the microstakes!) I'm probably putting it wrongly...either way, good luck my friend!

i will follow with interest... and look forward to mixing it up with ya!
good luck, except in pots with me Wink

GL bode!

Good Luck Yo!

Renton will help a ton. I had a couple sessions with him and if I hadn't lost my whole BR to the same tilt issues you have I would probably have had a ton more. Both passiveness and misdirected aggression are killers at >$100NL. Drop down for a bit, no shame in fixing what's broke. By the time I came out of my funk I had actually forgotten how to play poker at those levels and had to be re-taught half my game, my mind was a tilted pretzel.

I'm racing Ant to 2/4
how about it?! we're all probably at the samish bankrolls

*Last edited by bode on Mon, 08 Jun 2009, 10:57pm; edited 1 time in total*

played ~1k hands tonight over 2 different sessions and won $450. Played wall, flopped like 7-8 sets and didn't get paid once though.

Here's a spot that i feel like i get into too much, and is one of the causes of my variance filled game.

villain is 15/10/inf over only 40 hands, 11% 3bet, all in BB. I had iso'ed UTG fish several times in my short time at the table, so maybe this is completely standard. It can't be THAT bad vs a 1/2 stack, if it is at all.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

MP ($219)
CO ($171)
Hero (Button) ($201)
SB ($236.50)
BB ($126.05)
UTG ($102.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9

, 9

UTG calls $2, 2 folds, Hero bets $9, 1 fold, BB raises to $30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $201 (All-In), BB calls $96.05 (All-In)

Flop: ($255.10) A

, 7

, 2

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($255.10) Q

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($255.10) 6

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $255.10 | Rake: $3

This is one of those spots where i get lost. Villain is completely unknown, but a typical 1/2 player i would expect to see QT/66/99/flush draws/maybet AJ. When he minraises, it makes me think he is not good, and makes his weakers holdings like AJ more likely. idk.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

BB ($220.30)
UTG ($92.75)
MP ($40)
CO ($63.70)
Hero (Button) ($202.40)
SB ($182)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J

, K

UTG calls $2, 2 folds, Hero bets $9, SB calls $8, 2 folds

Flop: ($22) J

, 6

, 9

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $16, SB raises to $32, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($86) K

(2 players)
SB bets $86, Hero raises to $161.40 (All-In), SB calls $55 (All-In)

River: ($368) 4

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $368 | Rake: $3

And, as promised, my botched hand of the day. I never do this, so i dont know why i did. villain was 21.7/16.3/3.8 over 200 hands 3bet 10%, almost all from the blinds. Looking back this looks stronger than just cold 4betting smallish, but it seems like his range is so wide here i want to get more value than just his 3bet. Probably bad logic.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (4 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

UTG ($245.05)
Button ($89)
SB ($448.85)
Hero (BB) ($207.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, A

1 fold, Button bets $5.50, SB raises to $22.50, Hero calls $20.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($50.50) K

, 9

, 6

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $26, SB raises to $56, Hero calls $30

Turn: ($162.50) 8

(2 players)
SB bets $162.50, Hero calls $128.80 (All-In)

River: ($420.10) J

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $420.10 | Rake: $2

Hmm, missed this. Gl man. Hate to say it, but it is somewhat encouraging that someone I see as a much better player still goes through the ups and downs mentally as well as in results that frustrate me so much. Here I was complaining about being 10 buyins down for the month and you dropped 10 buyins in a day. Makes me feel like maybe its not just that I suck :p.

We seem similar in another way, which is that I think a good measurment of how bad/tilty I'm playing is how often I use my call button. The worse I am, the more I call. Getting small/med PPs allin PF is another sign.

So good luck, hope you come out of it. Looking foward to discussing some stuff in here and hopefully you'll drop by my thread too Smile

.

Rentons coaching, without going into anything he might prefer you dont, can you give a rundown on the kinds of things you do? How he helps, where the value is, etc?

Good Luck

May the River drown your oppenents...............

800 hand session tonight for +$725. Made back 6 of the 10 buyins i lost the other night playing well and def. running well. Couple hands from tonight.

Villain is a complete unknown. Turn is prob a fold. the only river i like seeing is a Q and even then im splitting the pot some. Im just such a fish against minraises.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

CO ($193)
Button ($200)
SB ($148)
BB ($75)
UTG ($200)
Hero (MP) ($238.40)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K

, A

1 fold, Hero bets $7, CO calls $7, 3 folds

Flop: ($17) 10

, A

, J

(2 players)
Hero bets $12, CO calls $12

Turn: ($41) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $27, CO raises to $54, Hero calls $27

vs 29/21/1 over only 14 hands, so basically unknown. I c/r the flop because i take it down a ton, i have decent equity w/ overs+GS+BDFD and can shove alot of turns.

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saw flop

Hero (SB) ($202)
BB ($324.45)
UTG ($200)
MP ($95)
CO ($197)
Button ($76.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, Q

1 fold, MP bets $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $5, 1 fold

Flop: ($14) 4

, J

, 10

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $6, Hero raises to $24, MP calls $18

Turn: ($62) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $66

Hand 1: I think I fold there vs an unkown when I'm playing my A game. But I think I call there a lot and c/f or b/f the river like an idiot.
Some people minraise-bluff, but I'd want to have a note about that first.

I like hand #2, but I would make it just under pot on the turn... There are very few people who overbet bluff like that ever, and so I guess neither do you.

Villain only has $65 left on turn in hand 2.

**** man wish that queen came on the river

hand 1 is a snap fold for me, villain has set/scraight all day long

played some tonight for the first time in a while, lost $700 over 500 hands. Got sucked out on with a set vs an overpair AI on the flop for a stack, made 2 bad bluffs, and this beauty wrapped it up.

I honestly don't know how else to play this. villain is a complete unknown and this is his first hand at the table. The only hands i can see playing like this are AA, which is incredibly unlikely, AKhh, also unlikely, and bluffs. wtf.

comments please.

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saw flop

MP ($100.50)
Button ($203)
SB ($400)
Hero (BB) ($308)
UTG ($129.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, K

Hero bets $7, 3 folds, SB raises to $25, Hero calls $18

Flop: ($50) A

, J

, 4

(2 players)
SB bets $27, Hero calls $27

Turn: ($104) 7

(2 players)
SB bets $58, Hero calls $58

River: ($220) Q

(2 players)
SB bets $290 (All-In), Hero calls $198 (All-In)

Who's going to 3 barrel bluff here? I think we just have to fold the river. We're calling a PSB hoping for a chop.

I hate this spot, we're basically calling for a split. Problem is, the only hand we were really ahead of on the turn was AQ Sad

.

std then fold river. possible to fold preflop too if u have reads

Def don't fold preflop against unknown, played fine, now fold river all day.

obv river is a fold in that hand. I was close to folding the turn just because i couldn't put him on a hand i was ahead of, then on the river i did one of my "dont think about the decision and tilt snap call".

Played a 800 hand session last night and booked a +$500 win. Really alot of standard spots, but i ran well(ish), played well, and got a couple of big river value bets called by a couple regs worse hands which is always nice. Only won 1 200bb pot the whole time, so it was +50bb here, +30 there, yada yada yada.

This is really the only interesting hand i played. BT is complete unknown but seems fishy over 15 hands or so. SB is 21/16/2.3 over 450 hands w/ 8% 3bet, 0% in SB. Don't really know what SB's cc'ing range is in the SB. 77/99 i would expect, but not 22. Probably calling suited broadways.

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saw flop

Button ($186.35)
SB ($200)
Hero (BB) ($231.50)
UTG ($109.95)
MP ($94.35)
CO ($106)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, K

3 folds, Button bets $4, SB calls $3, Hero raises to $18, Button calls $14, SB calls $14

Flop: ($54) 7

, 9

, 2

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $40, Button raises to $80, SB raises to $182 (All-In), Hero ???

*Last edited by dev on Thu, 18 Jun 2009, 5:53pm; edited 1 time in total*

I don't know how accurately I can put these players on ranges here, but this is my best shot during my morning tea:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.133% 55.03% 01.10% 2335500312 46698811.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 17.666% 17.50% 00.16% 742788159 6926320.00 { 99, 77, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, KcQc }
Hand 2: 26.201% 25.07% 01.13% 1064054211 47886571.00 { 99+, 77, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, KcQc }

So while I wanted to find a fold while reading the HH, it looks like a clear call. Any reads on button?

Edit: I suck at pokerstove. I'll leave my mistakes for the world to see so Da Goat doesn't look like a crazy person.

who u putting hand 2 on? SB?

its a clear fold imo

KK hand is a crying caaaaaallllll w/o more information.

hmm, posted that hand in the SH forum and everyone said it was a snap fold.

dev's ranges kinda suck but yeah its prolly a close fold

I went with close fold to, in the moment I hate life, fold, then curse my nittyness.

Played a good session last night in the hour that i had and booked $250 over about 500 hands. Nothing eventful, played well and caught some cards.

Today i had about 45 minutes before i had to leave my house so i got in a quick session of 350 hands and won just over $600. I again played well (outside of the hand posted below) and ran like a kenyan obv. Should have been up $800+ but fucked up my last hand of the sess pretty bad.

Posted in all its glory for you guys to make fun of me so i dont do shit like this again. Villain is an uninspiring german "reg" i guess. I put him on JJ-KK amost always after his flop call and was planning on firing almost all turns. Turn card is the worst in the deck for me to rep an Ax hand, but i brainfart and fire anyway. He tanked the turn pretty hard, but i knew after his turn call he was folding aprox. .001% on the river, yet i waste $100 anyway. Maybe one day i'll stop doing shit like this.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

BB ($171.55)
Hero (UTG) ($205)
MP ($175.20)
Button ($205)
SB ($248.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10

, 10

Hero bets $7, 2 folds, SB raises to $21, 1 fold, Hero calls $14

Flop: ($44) A

, 7

, 5

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $28, SB calls $28

Turn: ($100) A

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $62, SB calls $62

River: ($224) 8

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $94 (All-In), SB calls $94

Total pot: $412 | Rake: $3

haven't had much time to play recently. after getting my RB payment today (only $41 lol) my BR is back over $10k which feels good.

had not had a losing session since the 16th, but decided i wanted to fuck up the last day of the month and dropped $900. I played like 1k hands with 800 of them being me getting no hands, getting minraised by passive villains with mediocre TP type hands and slowly losing money with 200 hands of runhot to go -$800 --> -$150 --> -$900. good times.

as promised, here is a hand i fucked up. villain is 42/36.5/3.1 over 75 hands, has raised 50% of his hands UTG, although its a small sample. My river call is obv bad. I would have raised the flop bigger, but wanted to do everything i could to keep the 60/0 (yes, 0. this was the first hand he raised over 100 hands) drooler in the SB in the hand, who had not folded a flop yet. probly a b/f turn?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

SB ($609.65)
BB ($400)
UTG ($417.35)
MP ($479)
CO ($259.15)
Hero (Button) ($532.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9

, 9

UTG bets $6, MP calls $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, SB raises to $10, 1 fold, UTG calls $4, MP calls $4, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($42) Q

, 9

, 10

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $24, 1 fold, Hero raises to $72, 1 fold, UTG calls $48

Turn: ($186) 8

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($186) 5

(2 players)
UTG bets $165, Hero calls $165

Total pot: $516 | Rake: $3

i dont know wtf to do here. I got a 4bet flatted 3 times during this session and was lost on all of them. 2 were vs regs.

21/16/3.2 7% 3bet over 2.3k hands

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saw flop

BB ($235.35)
UTG ($232.85)
MP ($200)
Hero (CO) ($380.95)
Button ($222.55)
SB ($202.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q

, Q

2 folds, Hero bets $6, Button raises to $21, 2 folds, Hero raises to $56, Button calls $35

Flop: ($115) 10

, K

, 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($115) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $66, Hero folds

Total pot: $115 | Rake: $3

Is it terrible that I've started considering never 4-betting other than shoving OOP?

GL Bode, just saw this and I'll be following along rootin' for ya.

Not sure, its becoming more and more popular though. I've just lost count of the times I'll 4b AK to say 28bb planning to call a shove, but instead they call and I miss the flop. It seems to force us to play very straight foward which can only be good for them.

We bet (3.5bb), they 3b (13bb), the 4b doesn't cost us 87bb, it costs us 96.5bb.

haven't updated in a while i guess. I started the month off up ~9 BI's over 3k hands but have dropped close to 4 over the last 2 sessions and am only up 5 over 5k hands now. I have a few hands i want to post but dont have the time right now, i'll try to remember to post them tonight.

Hopefully i can get in some more hands the rest of the month, but with a baby coming any day now, i dont know how realistic anything more than 10k hands this month is. At least FTP extended the mid year Bonus clearing to the end of August i think. Can anyone confirm this?

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