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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 8:19am Post subject: I love suited connectors
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Flush
Joined: 07 Oct 2008
Posts: 510
WPP: 320
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Suited connectors treated me good today. Here were three hands that stuck out to me. The last one was definitely my favorite. Unfortunately, I'm probably spewing in all of these hands.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($8.80)
MP ($2.05)
Button ($3.05)
SB ($10.40)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 , 8
UTG raises to $0.40, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.30
Flop: ($0.85) 10 , 4 , J (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1, UTG calls $0.50
Turn: ($2.85) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, UTG calls $1.50
River: ($5.85) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $3, UTG raises to $5.90 (All-In), Hero calls $2.90
Please don't turn over AK.
Total pot: $17.65 | Rake: $0.85
Results:
Hero had 9, 8 (straight, Queen high).
UTG had A, A (one pair, Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $16.80
WTF raising that river?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (SB) ($21.05)
BB ($3.40)
UTG ($1.60)
UTG+1 ($2.65)
MP1 ($4.75)
MP2 ($10.35)
CO ($9.55)
Button ($10)
Preflop: Hero is SB with J, 7
2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.30, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.70) 4, 8, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, MP1 calls $0.40
Turn: ($1.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks
River: ($1.50) Q (2 players)
Bluff catching time.
Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60
Total pot: $2.70 | Rake: $0.10
Results:
Hero had J, 7 (two pair, sevens and fours).
MP1 had K, A (one pair, fours).
Outcome: Hero won $2.60
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10+$1 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG (t1530)
UTG+1 (t1180)
MP1 (t2150)
MP2 (t1970)
CO (t1630)
Hero (Button) (t1460)
SB (t1530)
BB (t2050)
Hero's M: 48.67
Preflop: Hero is Button with 6, 7
3 folds, MP2 raises to t80, 1 fold, Hero calls t80, 2 folds
Flop: (t190) 2, 3, 10 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets t150, MP2 calls t150
Turn: (t490) J (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets t250, MP2 calls t250
River: (t990) 8 (2 players)
MP2 checks
WTF could you have? Maybe it was a draw.
Hero bets t350, 1 fold
Total pot: t990
Shouldn't have played your draw passively in a tournament.... |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 10:13am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 01 Apr 2008
Posts: 1486
WPP: 98
Location: on teh button... steelin ur blindz
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Please post some of your sc hands in BC.
Also... if you have HEM check out how much you're loosing calling raises oop with Absolute trash. |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 10:44am Post subject:
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One Pair
Joined: 20 Dec 2008
Posts: 21
WPP: 319
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When I clicked on this thread, I was expecting some hands showing you flopping the nuts, IN POSITION, with suited connectors.
Hand 1: 98s is a good suited connector. Also, I want to assume that you had high implied odds that UTG will stack off? Even so, I'm not sure why you'd want to call out of position. Suited connectors are best played in position because you can control the pot more efficiently. Furthermore, you're lucky the UTG didn't raise your turn lead.
Hand 2: I did not think people were happy to play 3-gappers out of position. It's bad to play it out of position for the reasons I stated above, but this is worse because it's a 3-gapper. There is only 1 straight you can make with both cards. Top pair won't be that reliable with that hand, so are you simply hoping for a flush? A Jack-high flush, no less. Again, 3-gapper...
Hand 3: Looks like spewing, but luckily your opponent was weak. |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 12:24pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 07 Oct 2008
Posts: 510
WPP: 320
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| oskar wrote: | Please post some of your sc hands in BC.
Also... if you have HEM check out how much you're loosing calling raises oop with Absolute trash. |
I didn't want to post these ones in BC because I know they aren't exactly examples of standard TAGG play. That said, I'm not calling with "Absolute trash". I'm calling with hands that have decent potential, with an eye towards outplaying my opponents postflop if the opportunity presents itself. I don't have PT or any other software at the moment, but once I do I'll surely be evaluating a lot of these types of hands.
| Dueces88 wrote: | | When I clicked on this thread, I was expecting some hands showing you flopping the nuts, IN POSITION, with suited connectors. |
Sorry to disappoint. But that would be boring, anyways.
| Dueces88 wrote: | | Hand 1: 98s is a good suited connector. Also, I want to assume that you had high implied odds that UTG will stack off? Even so, I'm not sure why you'd want to call out of position. Suited connectors are best played in position because you can control the pot more efficiently. Furthermore, you're lucky the UTG didn't raise your turn lead. |
Considering that he raised the river with only AA, I definitely have stacking odds against him. As far as why I called out of position, that's a good question. It's not a play I would typically make, but here it felt like a decent idea to me. If he'd had one caller, I would have folded, or if I was in the SB, I would have folded. I'd probably fold it like 75% of the time regardless, but in this particular instance, I wanted to play it.
As for my turn lead, I thought it might fold a 55-99 or overcards that called my flop minraise. Even AT or KJ might not be loving their hand. I really didn't expect him to flat call there with AA, and I would have happily folded to any decent raise. So $1.50 seemed like a good amount to allow me to see a river with a little bit of fold equity. After his river shove, I felt like his most likely holdings were TT-QQ or AK and I'm only 36% against that range, but I was getting 5:1 to call.
| Dueces88 wrote: | | Hand 2: I did not think people were happy to play 3-gappers out of position. It's bad to play it out of position for the reasons I stated above, but this is worse because it's a 3-gapper. There is only 1 straight you can make with both cards. Top pair won't be that reliable with that hand, so are you simply hoping for a flush? A Jack-high flush, no less. Again, 3-gapper... |
I am not "happy" to play 3-gappers out of position, but I will do it sometimes. Here it's only a 3x raise and I am in the small blind, so I am getting 1.8:1 to call, and 2.6:1 if the BB comes along. Obviously I don't hit a made hand very often, but I feel like there are a decent amount of flops that I can steal. In this case he happened to have a flush draw that he could call me with on the flop. If he didn't, he's folding a lot of his range there. I like my hand a lot on a flop that has a 7 and no more than one card T or higher. On a J-high flop, I can check/raise or bet/fold (or even check/call if I have some kind of draw) depending on villain's cbetting frequency.
FWIW, I'm much more likely to call here with J7s than with KJo.
| Dueces88 wrote: | | Hand 3: Looks like spewing, but luckily your opponent was weak. |
I agree, especially in a tournament. Flatting the 4x is a bit ambitious, but I really liked my position, the blinds are still low, and I felt like I had an edge postflop. The flop didn't seem to hit his range well and he checked, so I took a shot. The turn was a pretty good scare card and he checked again, so I figured another stab was worthwhile. When he called, I was ready to give up on the river, but when the card didn't help his range at all and he just checked again, I couldn't resist taking another weak stab. If he folds more than 1/3 of the time there, it's a +EV move.
Regardless of my comments above, I agree that this is pretty sketchy play. I have tried both the tagg and lagg routes, though, and I've found that mixing them together seems to be the most effective for me. About 80-90% of the time I'm playing in a standard TAGG style, and the rest of the time I'm mixing in a little bit of weirdness. I feel like this playing style will only become more worthwhile as I go up in stakes, so if I can get a good handle on it now I like my chances later on. |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 12:37pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 09 Aug 2005
Posts: 1829
WPP: 67
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 12:42pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 07 Oct 2008
Posts: 510
WPP: 320
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I don't like to get married to any hand. Too many people do just that, which is why I love my suited connectors  . |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 1:09pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
Posts: 209
WPP: 57
Location: Toronto
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| now i gotta spend 500 bucks to get the puke cleaned off my laptop now after reading this thread........ |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 1:51pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 01 Apr 2008
Posts: 1486
WPP: 98
Location: on teh button... steelin ur blindz
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I gave you the benefit of doubt thinking this post was just "whoaa look at me playing like a monkey and hitting it!!" But you obviously think you played these hands fine, so...
This is the wrong forum for advice, and by your attitude I'm not sure you will take any. If you want to beat the donk stakes at some point you'll have to realize what you're doing wrong here, so if you genuinely want to improve your game, post these at BC, listen to the advice and take it.
You're making the wrong bet sizes, you are unaware of position, you do not understand implied odds, your donk bets don't make any sense, your raises don't make any sense, and the analyses of your villains is ridiculous. |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 4:48pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 07 Oct 2008
Posts: 510
WPP: 320
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