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stuck
Post Posted: Mon, 20 Sep 2004, 3:09am    Post subject: i am sick of suckouts.. Reply with quote
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so I entered another tourney. I build up a stack. I get dealt KK. Raise 4-5x BB. Flop trips, perfect. 2 hearts on the board, not.

Someone in front of me makes a weak bet. I bet half of his stack. He pushes. I call. He has A2 hearts. Catches a heart on the river. I might even be somewhat okay with this, or at least calm, if thing slike this have not been happing to me *all day*. I might also be calm about it if he weren't now talking smack about it.

I want nothing more than to bust him out of the tourney right now. Fortunately, I'm on table 8, so it'll be awhile before we're broken up. Unfortunately, I'm down to a stack of 800 or so, while he has 3000+, so it'll at least take awhile.
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FyrFytr998
Post Posted: Mon, 20 Sep 2004, 10:35am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I notice people are more willing to call a flush draw before the turn than after. For an all in I don't know. Maybe you made him pot commited, and he had to call. I know I've done, and had done, the same thing to me. Just a bad beat.
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stuck
Post Posted: Mon, 20 Sep 2004, 11:06am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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yeah, I probably should have waited for the turn to come up a blank. It was relatively early in the tournament, so he was by no means pot committed (and would indeed have still had more than the 1000 chip start) so I don't think he was pot-committed.

I was very patient and worked my way up to 2000 chips, just ahead of the blinds with respect to being 'short-stacked' but this guy got an amazing hand with incredible action to put him up to 13000 chips with 75/150 blinds. 5-way AI - AA v KK v AK v QQ v QJ - with this kid having the AA. I eventually was blinded away after an hour of seeing mostly T5o.
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Karsk
Post Posted: Tue, 21 Sep 2004, 9:40am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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i think you did the right thing. raised preflop, got a caller. made your set and reraised a flush drawer. got him to push with the percentages in your favor. he gambled and got lucky.
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drmcboy
Post Posted: Wed, 22 Sep 2004, 12:47pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Agree, you played it fine. If you wait and the turn's a blank, great, but if it's a heart and the guy comes at you you have a really tough decision.
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Arecsa
Post Posted: Wed, 29 Sep 2004, 3:02am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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This hand just happened to me:


djhdn posts the small blind of 20.
Arecsa posts the big blind of 40.

chrisurfer: -- --
jleigh4382: -- --
Chaser31: -- --
BoneCave: -- --
HUPA: -- --
djhdn: -- --
Arecsa: Qs Qc
Hoedeedoh: -- --
Gobshite: -- --

Pre-flop:

Hoedeedoh calls. Gobshite folds. chrisurfer calls.
jleigh4382 folds. Chaser31 calls. BoneCave calls.
HUPA folds. djhdn calls. Arecsa raises to 1540.
Hoedeedoh folds. chrisurfer folds. Chaser31 calls.
BoneCave folds. djhdn calls.

Flop (board: 3h Qh Js):

djhdn goes all-in for 5325. Arecsa goes all-in for
1860. Chaser31 folds. djhdn is returned 3465
(uncalled).

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

djhdn shows 7h 8h.
Arecsa shows Qs Qc.


Turn (board: 3h Qh Js 8s):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 3h Qh Js 8s 5h):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

djhdn has 7h 8h 3h Qh 5h: flush, queen high.
Arecsa has Qs Qc Qh Js 8s: three queens.


Hand #2772406-43 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
djhdn wins 8460 with flush, queen high.
Arecsa is eliminated.
----------------------------------------------------------------

Should I have pushed all-in pre-flop instead of betting ~50% of my stack?
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Fnord
Post Posted: Wed, 29 Sep 2004, 3:46am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I've been toying around with playing later streets both with and against str8/flush draws.

joebait is Weak/Tight/Passive
lochsajohn is Call/Loose/Passive

Tear this one appart.

PokerStars Game #728651424: Tournament #2835197, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2004/09/28 - 22:30:50 (ET)
Table '2835197 1' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 3: lochsajohn (705 in chips)
Seat 5: joebait (4450 in chips)
Seat 6: rycmille (1775 in chips)
Seat 9: HenryFnord (2070 in chips)
rycmille: posts small blind 25
HenryFnord: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HenryFnord [2c 2d]
lochsajohn: calls 50
joebait: raises 50 to 100
rycmille: folds
HenryFnord: calls 50
lochsajohn: calls 50
*** FLOP *** [9c 2h 7c]
HenryFnord: checks
lochsajohn: checks
joebait: bets 50
HenryFnord: calls 50
lochsajohn: calls 50
*** TURN *** [9c 2h 7c] [5s]
HenryFnord: checks
lochsajohn: checks
joebait: bets 300
HenryFnord: calls 300
lochsajohn: folds
*** RIVER *** [9c 2h 7c 5s] [5d]
HenryFnord: checks
joebait: bets 800
HenryFnord: raises 820 to 1620 and is all-in
joebait: folds
HenryFnord collected 2675 from pot
HenryFnord: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2675 | Rake 0
Board [9c 2h 7c 5s 5d]
Seat 3: lochsajohn folded on the Turn
Seat 5: joebait (button) folded on the River
Seat 6: rycmille (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: HenryFnord (big blind) collected (2675)
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stuck
Post Posted: Wed, 29 Sep 2004, 12:47pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I wouldn't be terribly worried about the straight, and more worried about the flush.

I wonder about being passive with a 2-suited board after hitting a set. I'm more inclined to rep TP or maybe an over-pair with that board so if the flush also pairs the board, my FH would tend to be better hidden.

If a club came down on the turn and he bet hard what would you have done?
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Fnord
Post Posted: Wed, 29 Sep 2004, 12:53pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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stuck wrote:

If a club came down on the turn and he bet hard what would you have done?


Given that these twerps call and semi-bluff all-in on their flush draws anyway, I figured I may as well keep the calling station (who is likely drawing dead or *very* thin) along for the ride. I probably should have raised the flop to 200 and hope he hung around.

Also consider that if he hits his flush, he might give me a cheap showdown. The weak/passive players too often under-bet their near nut hands for value. Checking the turn and going half-pot or less on the river wouldn't surprise me.

In short, I'm making a small mistake on the flop to give both of them the chance to make a bigger mistake on the Turn/River.
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Post Posted: Tue, 13 Jan 2009, 1:58pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Sounds like you just met another great Zynga player.....
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