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Posted: Tue, 15 May 2007, 6:55pm Post subject: high stakes pwnage thread
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EAT BUGS
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ship it?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (2 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($1000)
Button ($4779)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 , 7.
Button raises to $30, Hero calls $20.
Flop: ($60) 8, 2 , 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $60, Hero calls $60.
Turn: ($180) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $180, Hero calls $180.
River: ($540) A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $340, Hero raises to $730, Button folds.
Final Pot: $1610
Results in white below:
Hero has 6c 7c (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins $1610. |
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Posted: Tue, 15 May 2007, 6:56pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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Location: trying to live
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| river was a push that was just about a minraise |
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Posted: Tue, 15 May 2007, 7:43pm Post subject:
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LAME HUMOR THAT MAKES FISH LAUGH
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| hey im actually playing poker right now. Crazy, huh? |
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Posted: Tue, 15 May 2007, 10:25pm Post subject: Re: high stakes pwnage thread
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: over there
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| gabe wrote: |
Hero ($1000)
Button ($4779)
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Posted: Tue, 15 May 2007, 10:28pm Post subject:
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One Pair
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Lol, extremely bold 
I often play a flopped set (that's what you are trying to represent?) with this line precisely if the board has draws(usually 3-bet pots), and it's almost always called down if the "draws" miss. In a 2-bet pot and without obvious draws, this can work better as a bluff, but I think you need to have good reads on opp.
What do you put villain on? Would villain really value bet river with AK/AQ? Your two calls are very scary on this drawless board and I certainly would not value bet top pair here. So isn't he representing at least two pair, like 89?
The more I look at it, the more it looks like villain was three barreling this time, so in a way you were lucky, or do you really think villain would fold something like two pair here? He might easily let go of AK/AQ, but then why bet that crap in the first place... |
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Posted: Thu, 17 May 2007, 4:45pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| pocketfours wrote: | Lol, extremely bold
I often play a flopped set (that's what you are trying to represent?) with this line precisely if the board has draws(usually 3-bet pots), and it's almost always called down if the "draws" miss. In a 2-bet pot and without obvious draws, this can work better as a bluff, but I think you need to have good reads on opp.
What do you put villain on? Would villain really value bet river with AK/AQ? Your two calls are very scary on this drawless board and I certainly would not value bet top pair here. So isn't he representing at least two pair, like 89?
The more I look at it, the more it looks like villain was three barreling this time, so in a way you were lucky, or do you really think villain would fold something like two pair here? He might easily let go of AK/AQ, but then why bet that crap in the first place... |
it's HU, gotta VB AK/AQ here b/c it's good such a high % of the time. you don't need to have 2p+ to 3barrell hu that's for sure...
about the play, stack sizes suggest that gabe is getting killed and that the guy may likely look this bet up with anything he was vb'ing with in the first place. Not really a big fan but it does put villain in a tough spot b/c he has to be thinking due to stack sizes that it can't be a bluff. |
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Posted: Thu, 17 May 2007, 5:28pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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Location: trying to live
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| wasnt getting killed, table just broke. after he folded he typed 'you lucky monkey' |
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Posted: Fri, 18 May 2007, 6:52am Post subject:
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One Pair
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| Lukie wrote: |
it's HU, gotta VB AK/AQ here b/c it's good such a high % of the time. you don't need to have 2p+ to 3barrell hu that's for sure... |
Indeed, for some reason I wasn't in a HU mindset 
His 'lucky monkey' comment sounds like he is trying to salvage his image after a bad bluff though. I would have responded just as truthfully: 'I was ahead the whole time'. |
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Posted: Sun, 20 May 2007, 10:33pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 2007
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Location: Dizzy
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Button ($686.80)
SB ($1233.55)
Hero ($558)
UTG ($1342)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 6.
2 folds, SB raises to $18, Hero raises to $54, SB calls $36.
Flop: ($108) J, Q, 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $72, SB calls $72.
Turn: ($252) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.
River: ($252) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $200, Hero raises to $432, SB folds.
Final Pot: $884 |
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Posted: Sun, 20 May 2007, 10:34pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| o yea this is cool cause villain is EM2 |
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Posted: Mon, 21 May 2007, 5:16am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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BLUFFFFFFFFFFFF
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($1072)
SB ($1108)
BB ($1479)
UTG ($235)
MP ($1093)
CO ($1898.50)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A.
3 folds, Hero raises to $30, SB calls $25, 1 fold.
Flop: ($70) T, 9, 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $60, SB raises to $150, Hero calls $90.
Turn: ($370) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $170, Hero calls $170.
River: ($710) 7 (2 players)
Final Pot: $710
Results in white below:
SB doesn't show.
Hero has Ac Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $710. |
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Posted: Mon, 21 May 2007, 12:15pm Post subject:
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Straight
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Location: Wales, UK
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| ^ What happened to the river action? |
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Posted: Mon, 21 May 2007, 12:38pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| lukie that is not nearly the level of pwnage of the first hand in this thread, the check push minraise |
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Posted: Tue, 22 May 2007, 12:30am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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god the ftr converter is so bad
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($1072)
SB ($1108)
BB ($1479)
UTG ($235)
MP ($1093)
CO ($1898.50)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A.
3 folds, Hero raises to $30, SB calls $25, 1 fold.
Flop: ($70) T, 9, 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $60, SB raises to $150, Hero calls $90.
Turn: ($370) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $170, Hero calls $170.
River: ($710) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $722 (All-In), SB folds.
Final Pot: $1432
Results in white below:
Hero has Ac Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $1432. |
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Posted: Wed, 20 Jun 2007, 6:33am Post subject:
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Flush
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Posted: Fri, 29 Jun 2007, 3:07am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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stacked aba last night- SHIP IT (and i get to be in vid lol)
Full Tilt Poker Game #2800484374: Table Bayswater (6 max) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:42:47 ET - 2007/06/29
Seat 1: PrtectYaNeck ($1,137)
Seat 2: dwballz ($1,902)
Seat 3: kmoneyk10 ($1,734)
Seat 4: sbrugby ($2,219)
Seat 5: DontBluffMePLZZ ($1,373)
Seat 6: Gettin Daize ($1,469)
sbrugby posts the small blind of $5
DontBluffMePLZZ posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PrtectYaNeck [8c Jc]
Gettin Daize folds
PrtectYaNeck has 15 seconds left to act
PrtectYaNeck raises to $35
dwballz folds
kmoneyk10 folds
sbrugby calls $30
DontBluffMePLZZ folds
*** FLOP *** [9h 7c 4c]
sbrugby checks
PrtectYaNeck checks
*** TURN *** [9h 7c 4c] [Qc]
sbrugby bets $65
PrtectYaNeck has 15 seconds left to act
PrtectYaNeck raises to $275
sbrugby has 15 seconds left to act
sbrugby raises to $2,184, and is all in
PrtectYaNeck calls $827, and is all in
sbrugby shows [Qh Kc]
PrtectYaNeck shows [8c Jc]
Uncalled bet of $1,082 returned to sbrugby
*** RIVER *** [9h 7c 4c Qc] [4h]
sbrugby shows two pair, Queens and Fours
PrtectYaNeck shows a flush, Queen high
PrtectYaNeck wins the pot ($2,281) with a flush, Queen high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2,284 | Rake $3
Board: [9h 7c 4c Qc 4h]
Seat 1: PrtectYaNeck showed [8c Jc] and won ($2,281) with a flush, Queen high
Seat 2: dwballz didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: kmoneyk10 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: sbrugby (small blind) showed [Qh Kc] and lost with two pair, Queens and Fours
Seat 5: DontBluffMePLZZ (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Gettin Daize didn't bet (folded) |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Jun 2007, 1:24pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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Posted: Fri, 29 Jun 2007, 2:02pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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Posted: Sat, 30 Jun 2007, 2:37am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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| that seems like a big spew by aba.... |
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Posted: Sat, 30 Jun 2007, 9:34am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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| wasn't in the first vid but he's doing a 3parter |
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Posted: Sat, 30 Jun 2007, 10:58am Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | that seems like a big spew by aba.... |
i think aba played it awesome, but sauce tricked him hard with the flop check behind (everyone bets that, right????) |
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Posted: Sat, 30 Jun 2007, 11:22pm Post subject:
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Not a thinking person
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Location: My ice is polarized
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Posted: Mon, 02 Jul 2007, 5:43pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Posted: Mon, 02 Jul 2007, 5:48pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| lol that one was a terrible call by me on the flop if i knew it was muddy i would insta fold |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Jul 2007, 6:54pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| what a terrible turn check, regardless of results |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Jul 2007, 7:01pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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we both misplayed is v badly hahaha
look at ISF's quote for details |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Jul 2007, 9:22pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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PokerStars GAME #10787426754: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2007/07/05 - 19:31:11 (ET)
Table 'Merope V' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: PityDaFoolz ($940 in chips)
Seat 4: Sauce123 ($1179 in chips)
Seat 5: straate ($2854.50 in chips)
PityDaFoolz: posts small blind $5
Sauce123: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sauce123 [As 9d]
straate: raises $25 to $35
PityDaFoolz: folds
Sauce123: calls $25
*** FLOP *** [Qh 7d 7c]
Sauce123: checks
straate: bets $50
Sauce123: raises $110 to $160
straate: calls $110
*** TURN *** [Qh 7d 7c] [2d]
rockysmom joins the table at seat #3
Sauce123: bets $260
straate: raises $260 to $520
takechip joins the table at seat #6
Sauce123: raises $464 to $984 and is all-in
straate: folds
Sauce123 collected $1434 from pot
Sauce123: shows [As 9d] (a pair of Sevens)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1435 | Rake $1
Board [Qh 7d 7c 2d]
Seat 2: PityDaFoolz (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Sauce123 (big blind) collected ($1434)
Seat 5: straate (button) folded on the Turn
BOC |
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Posted: Fri, 06 Jul 2007, 12:14am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| That was nice...loved how you showed him too |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Jul 2007, 7:29pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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haha... i make ppl tilt like a monkey sometimes
PokerStars GAME #11220286532: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2007/07/30 - 15:48:03 (ET)
Table 'Rhodope III' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Lyric ($1114 in chips)
Seat 2: mossyhorn ($2284 in chips)
Seat 3: Sauce123 ($1081.75 in chips)
Seat 4: byebyeguy ($1525.75 in chips)
Seat 5: mikek15 ($1947 in chips)
Seat 6: IMSAKIDD ($202 in chips)
byebyeguy: posts small blind $5
mikek15: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sauce123 [As Jh]
IMSAKIDD: folds
Lyric: raises $20 to $30
mossyhorn: calls $30
Sauce123: raises $100 to $130
byebyeguy: folds
mikek15: folds
Lyric: raises $984 to $1114 and is all-in
mossyhorn: folds
Sauce123: calls $951.75 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Qc Ac 4h]
*** TURN *** [Qc Ac 4h] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [Qc Ac 4h 6c] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Lyric: shows [Ah 5h] (a pair of Aces)
Sauce123: shows [As Jh] (a pair of Aces - Queen+Jack kicker)
Sauce123 collected $2205.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2208.50 | Rake $3
Board [Qc Ac 4h 6c 7h]
Seat 1: Lyric showed [Ah 5h] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: mossyhorn folded before Flop
Seat 3: Sauce123 (button) showed [As Jh] and won ($2205.50) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: byebyeguy (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: mikek15 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: IMSAKIDD folded before Flop (didn't bet) |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Jul 2007, 9:30pm Post subject:
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Full House
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You need to work on your game selection. IMSAKIDD will eat you alive.
Seriously, though. Is he a winning player? I can't figure out how shortstacking can actually make money in today's game climate. |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Jul 2007, 10:38pm Post subject:
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Full House
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Here's some high stakes ownage for ya.
That's right. High stakes.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10,000.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Button ($1,380,000)
SB ($2,090,000.45)
Hero ($1,140,000.90)
UTG ($2,290,000.55)
UTG+1 ($1,000,000.35)
MP1 ($680,000.50)
MP2 ($460,000.60)
CO ($1,100,000.05)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, A.
5 folds, Button raises to $40,000, 1 fold, Hero calls $30,000.
Flop: ($80,000.50) K, 2, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $50,000, Hero raises to $180,000, Button calls $130,000.
Turn: ($440,000.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $300,000, Button folds.
Final Pot: $440,000.50
I think I'm gonna buy an house now. |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Jul 2007, 11:33pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
and i love ur avatars |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Jul 2007, 12:09am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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| sauce123 wrote: | haha... i make ppl tilt like a monkey sometimes
[url=http://www.flopturnriver.com/reviews/Online-Poker-PokerStars.php]PokerStars[/url] GAME #11220286532: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2007/07/30 - 15:48:03 (ET)
Table 'Rhodope III' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Lyric ($1114 in chips)
Seat 2: mossyhorn ($2284 in chips)
Seat 3: Sauce123 ($1081.75 in chips)
Seat 4: byebyeguy ($1525.75 in chips)
Seat 5: mikek15 ($1947 in chips)
Seat 6: IMSAKIDD ($202 in chips)
byebyeguy: posts small blind $5
mikek15: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sauce123 [As Jh]
IMSAKIDD: folds
Lyric: raises $20 to $30
mossyhorn: calls $30
Sauce123: raises $100 to $130
byebyeguy: folds
mikek15: folds
Lyric: raises $984 to $1114 and is all-in
mossyhorn: folds
Sauce123: calls $951.75 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Qc Ac 4h]
*** TURN *** [Qc Ac 4h] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [Qc Ac 4h 6c] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Lyric: shows [Ah 5h] (a pair of Aces)
Sauce123: shows [As Jh] (a pair of Aces - Queen+Jack kicker)
Sauce123 collected $2205.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2208.50 | Rake $3
Board [Qc Ac 4h 6c 7h]
Seat 1: Lyric showed [Ah 5h] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: mossyhorn folded before Flop
Seat 3: Sauce123 (button) showed [As Jh] and won ($2205.50) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: byebyeguy (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: mikek15 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: IMSAKIDD folded before Flop (didn't bet) |
Sauce I think given your range threebetting, fourbetting A2s+, AQ+, JJ+ seems close to 0 EV. |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Jul 2007, 2:08am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| A2s+, AQ+, JJ+ hmmmmmmm which one of these doesnt belong? |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Jul 2007, 12:21pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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| sauce123 wrote: | | A2s+, AQ+, JJ+ hmmmmmmm which one of these doesnt belong? |
AQ |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Jul 2007, 11:19pm Post subject:
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Full House
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Posted: Thu, 02 Aug 2007, 1:05pm Post subject:
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One Pair
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FINALLY a hand that qualifies. 
Texas Hold'em $10-$20 NL (real money)
Seat 7: BUTTON ($5,083.20 in chips)
Seat 9: HERO [ AH,7D ] ($1,015.00 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
BUTTON posts blind ($5), HERO posts blind ($10).
PRE-FLOP
BUTTON bets $30, HERO bets $120, BUTTON calls $95.
FLOP [board cards 9H,10D,10C ]
HERO checks, BUTTON checks.
TURN [board cards 9H,10D,10C,8H ]
HERO bets $250, BUTTON calls $250.
RIVER [board cards 9H,10D,10C,8H,4H ]
HERO checks, BUTTON bets $880, HERO calls $635 and is all-in.
SHOWDOWN
BUTTON shows [ QS,6S ]
HERO shows [ AH,7D ]
BUTTON wins $245, HERO wins $2030
I hope this thread isn't meant for educational purposes |
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4-of-a-Kind
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| wufwugy wrote: | You need to work on your game selection. IMSAKIDD will eat you alive.
Seriously, though. Is he a winning player? I can't figure out how shortstacking can actually make money in today's game climate. |
Shortstackers have an inherent advantage over the rest of the table. It shouldn't be very hard at all for him to be a winning player (he is) if he's halfway decent (he is). |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Aug 2007, 11:31am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| fwiw i think imsa and kurosh r the two best shorties lurking around right now |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Aug 2007, 2:11pm Post subject:
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| pocketfours wrote: | FINALLY a hand that qualifies.
Texas Hold'em $10-$20 NL (real money)
Seat 7: BUTTON ($5,083.20 in chips)
Seat 9: HERO [ AH,7D ] ($1,015.00 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
BUTTON posts blind ($5), HERO posts blind ($10).
PRE-FLOP
BUTTON bets $30, HERO bets $120, BUTTON calls $95.
FLOP [board cards 9H,10D,10C ]
HERO checks, BUTTON checks.
TURN [board cards 9H,10D,10C,8H ]
HERO bets $250, BUTTON calls $250.
RIVER [board cards 9H,10D,10C,8H,4H ]
HERO checks, BUTTON bets $880, HERO calls $635 and is all-in.
SHOWDOWN
BUTTON shows [ QS,6S ]
HERO shows [ AH,7D ]
BUTTON wins $245, HERO wins $2030
I hope this thread isn't meant for educational purposes |
wtf. this must have made villain just a wee bit angry. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Aug 2007, 3:42pm Post subject:
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| martindcx1e wrote: |
wtf. this must have made villain just a wee bit angry. |
Calling a bluff with a decent ace is pretty std in ultra-loose games...
He got his revenge just five minutes later (i guess this qualifies as well )
Texas Hold'em $10-$20 NL (real money),
Seat 7: BUTTON ($6,750.65 in chips)
Seat 8: HERO [ KD,10C ] ($1,000.00 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
BUTTON posts blind ($5), HERO posts blind ($10).
PRE-FLOP
BUTTON bets $30, HERO bets $120, BUTTON calls $95.
FLOP [board cards JS,7D,2H ]
HERO bets $250, BUTTON calls $250.
TURN [board cards JS,7D,2H,3S ]
HERO bets $620 and is all-in, BUTTON calls $620.
RIVER [board cards JS,7D,2H,3S,3H ]
SHOWDOWN
HERO shows [ KD,10C ]
BUTTON shows [ 9C,AD ]
BUTTON wins $2000.
Don't let the stacks fool you, I lost over 10BI before winning it all back in a 7-hour session that finished at 8AM. Villain ended down 3BI.
Later in the session I had five-bet him proflop 2 times in the last 15 hands (light, of course) and he decided to make a stand at the wrong moment. After this hand he basically handed over the rest of his money. Game Over.
Texas Hold'em $10-$20 NL (real money)
Seat 7: BUTTON ($7,048.75 in chips)
Seat 9: HERO [ KD,KS ] ($4,230.45 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
BUTTON posts blind ($5), HERO posts blind ($10).
PRE-FLOP
BUTTON bets $30, HERO bets $120, BUTTON bets $350, HERO bets $1000, BUTTON bets $2440, HERO bets $3100.45 and is all-in, BUTTON calls $1405.45.
FLOP [board cards 8S,4D,2D ]
TURN [board cards 8S,4D,2D,10S ]
RIVER [board cards 8S,4D,2D,10S,4H ]
SHOWDOWN
HERO shows [ KD,KS ]
BUTTON shows [ 7H,5H ]
HERO wins $8460.90 |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Aug 2007, 7:51pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| Lukie wrote: | | wufwugy wrote: | You need to work on your game selection. IMSAKIDD will eat you alive.
Seriously, though. Is he a winning player? I can't figure out how shortstacking can actually make money in today's game climate. |
Shortstackers have an inherent advantage over the rest of the table. It shouldn't be very hard at all for him to be a winning player (he is) if he's halfway decent (he is). |
I've heard about this advantage, but I don't quite buy that it makes winning easier. Getting raped by the blinds is a huge disadvantage. Of the 50k+ hands I've played as a shortstack, I'm a big loser.
Maybe I played wrong, though. I thought I played right according to all the 'right' information, but maybe that's wrong. What are Imsakidd and Kurosh's vpip/pfr? |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Aug 2007, 2:36pm Post subject:
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| wufwugy wrote: | | Lukie wrote: | | wufwugy wrote: | You need to work on your game selection. IMSAKIDD will eat you alive.
Seriously, though. Is he a winning player? I can't figure out how shortstacking can actually make money in today's game climate. |
Shortstackers have an inherent advantage over the rest of the table. It shouldn't be very hard at all for him to be a winning player (he is) if he's halfway decent (he is). |
I've heard about this advantage, but I don't quite buy that it makes winning easier. Getting raped by the blinds is a huge disadvantage. Of the 50k+ hands I've played as a shortstack, I'm a big loser.
Maybe I played wrong, though. I thought I played right according to all the 'right' information, but maybe that's wrong. What are Imsakidd and Kurosh's vpip/pfr? |
getting raped by the blinds is not a huge disadvantage, it's just part of the game. the advantage is that the game now has 20bb effective stacks for you ALWAYS, where the other players 1) are typically trying to play optimally for 100bb stacks, and 2) generally don't play nearly as well for 20bb effectiv even if they tried to. Some even have a horrible misconception that you can't make money shortstacking. I personally think it makes winning easier because the decisions are much simpler than in a deeper game. On the same token though these tougher, deep-stacked decisions are exactly what makes very good deeper stacked players have the ability to have a much higher win-rate than a shortstacker.
I sincerely doubt you were playing with all the 'right' information; info out there typically isn't very good for poker at all and there is even less good info out there for shortstacking. Which is actually a very good thing because good ones just make games worse. As far as their vpip's/pfr's they are probably a lot laggier (relatively) than you think, maybe 18/16 or something. That range and how you would optimally play with those stacks is far different than if you were playing deeper, though. |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Aug 2007, 2:54pm Post subject:
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| Lukie wrote: |
I sincerely doubt you were playing with all the 'right' information; info out there typically isn't very good for poker at all and there is even less good info out there for shortstacking. Which is actually a very good thing because good ones just make games worse. As far as their vpip's/pfr's they are probably a lot laggier (relatively) than you think, maybe 18/16 or something. That range and how you would optimally play with those stacks is far different than if you were playing deeper, though. |
This is interesting cuz I remember reading about short-stacking several different times and the advice always just seemed to be wait for AA-TT/AK/AQ and push. I'd really like to see what the real short-stackers are doing. |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Aug 2007, 4:49pm Post subject:
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| can we plz ban anyone interested in shortstacking |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Aug 2007, 5:03pm Post subject:
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| wufwugy wrote: | | I've heard about this advantage, but I don't quite buy that it makes winning easier. |
Take a look at the shotstack vs isolator thread. A perfect example of how the shortstack gets free equity when the deepstacks raise each other out.
In a way it's a bit unfair that a deep stack has to fold to a raise, but the shortstack who is all-in doesn't (no way around it though). This is where a big part of their advantage comes from. This is also why it pays for them to be loose, because the looser they are, the more isolation plays will be done. Often the blinds will be isolated, which are a usually big relative to the short stack.
I really think that gaming sites should offer tables where it is only possible to buy in for the full amount.
Fortunately most of the short stackers are quite poor players. Even at pretty high stakes. |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Aug 2007, 5:39pm Post subject:
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Everything I've read about shortstacking suggest you should be at about 10 vpip. Which is really bad. 18 vpip isn't getting raped by the blinds.
Anyways, meh. If I was good at shortstacking I wouldn't have had to spend more time figuring out deepstacking. |
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Posted: Sun, 05 Aug 2007, 1:02am Post subject:
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| probably the best thing about playing full-stacked is that 90%+ of your peers don't hate you. |
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Posted: Sun, 05 Aug 2007, 3:15am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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So no one wants to spill the beans about "proper" short-stacking? Don't ban me plz  |
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Posted: Sun, 05 Aug 2007, 5:17am Post subject:
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Joined: 12 Sep 2005
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Location: Norway
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| Why would anyone do that? There are lots of these shortstackers out there already, good thing that many of them play pretty bad. Especially at Party it's a huge problem. The easier it is for people to find out how to play a shortstack profitably, the more of them there will be out there and the better those shortstacks will be. And then all the regular players' winrate will be lower, why would we want that... |
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