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Posted: Fri, 27 Mar 2009, 4:28pm Post subject: Hi HSNL i'm new...
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2009
Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Posts: 1656
WPP: 64
Location: bluffing scare cards
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MP is a regular donater to the High stakes community. Plays real spewy and spazzy.
SB is a pretty solid regular who I've played a bunch with at 2/4. He
runs like 24/18/3 and I have never seen him get out of line. We don't really have any notable history. I guess he'll know that this is probably some sort of shot.
No-Limit Hold'em, $10.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
MP ($1163)
CO ($2667.40)
Hero (Button) ($1321)
SB ($1000)
BB ($2050.50)
UTG ($1000)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 3 , 3
1 fold, MP bets $30, 1 fold, Hero calls $30, SB calls $25, 1 fold
Flop: ($100) 3 , 5, J (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $60, SB calls $60, 1 fold
Turn: ($220) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $166, SB raises $460, Hero? |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Mar 2009, 5:53pm Post subject:
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One Pair
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
Posts: 947
WPP: 87
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| folding seems so exploitable... |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Mar 2009, 6:50pm Post subject: Re: Hi HSNL i'm new...
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3304
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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| meeloche wrote: | | I guess he'll know that this is probably some sort of shot. |
I think it's definitely possible that he views you as scared money, which makes it more likely he'd semi-bluff you in this spot. As opposed to being on the level where you think he perceives your range as super strong, because you're taking a shot.... |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Mar 2009, 7:12pm Post subject:
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2009
Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Posts: 1656
WPP: 64
Location: bluffing scare cards
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From what I've found when people are taking shots they tend to play more spewy and stationy then normal cause they expect everybody to be bluffing them more. So if anything I'm less likely to bluff somebody when they are taking a shot.
I don't know how many people think this way though. |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Mar 2009, 10:28pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 02 Mar 2006
Posts: 3558
WPP: 84
Location: right here
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| I would always shove here. |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 6:02pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6594
WPP: 74
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| you cant call and fold river so shove. I don't think this is a straight up fold. |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 7:42pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 18762
WPP: 81
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
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| Yeah, I'd just go with it. If it's a lot of money to you, that sucks. |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 10:24pm Post subject:
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midstakes donk
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Posts: 2979
WPP: 43
Location: flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 11:44pm Post subject:
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2009
Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Posts: 1656
WPP: 64
Location: bluffing scare cards
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| Ok so those in the shove camp, what am I ahead of that he may take this line with? All I can come up with is maybe some sort of turned diamonds or straight draw but even that seems far fetched cause getting it in as a 4-1 dog here with a draw is pretty spewy. |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Apr 2009, 4:30am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 3068
WPP: 71
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| i don't mind a fold and how can you be "exploitable" when the other player doesn't know that you're folding that? Just don't time bank and say 33 in the chatbox. |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Apr 2009, 7:18am Post subject:
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One Pair
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
Posts: 947
WPP: 87
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| Massimo wrote: | | i don't mind a fold and how can you be "exploitable" when the other player doesn't know that you're folding that? Just don't time bank and say 33 in the chatbox. |
I mean from a theoretical perspective of course, in which I assume villain knows how we think.
Folding to me seems exploitable, because IF villain expects us to fold bottom set in this spot, THEN he is going to show enormous profit by c/raising with his whole c/folding range. That's all I'm saying.
Folding can only be good when villain doesn't expect us to fold 2P+, which is a reasonable assumption here. I still don't want to recommend folding without pointing out that it's probably not optimal from a theoretical perspective. |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Apr 2009, 8:06am Post subject:
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midstakes donk
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Posts: 2979
WPP: 43
Location: flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
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| i dont think i have ever played in a game where i've needed to use theory to justify a decision. |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Apr 2009, 10:19am Post subject:
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One Pair
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
Posts: 947
WPP: 87
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| nutsinho wrote: | | i dont think i have ever played in a game where i've needed to use theory to justify a decision. |
What's the purpose of discouraging a theoretical discussion? I'd expect most of your difficult in-game decisions to be at least partly influenced by your knowledge of fundamental game theory, which you have accumulated over the years.
Most of us don't consciously use theory while playing, but it's certainly a useful tool in hand analysis, especially when we try to figure out our perceived ranges and frequencies against an unknown good player. |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Apr 2009, 11:27am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 2010
WPP: 55
Location: Dizzy
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| for those saying fold-- you must be fcking joking |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Apr 2009, 11:53am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6594
WPP: 74
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| There's no point in talking about whats exploitable in spots where its obvious our opponents aren't going to exploit us in. |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Apr 2009, 6:23pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Posts: 3556
WPP: 112
Location: at your tables, calling your bets
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| nutsinho wrote: | | i dont think i have ever played in a game where i've needed to use theory to justify a decision. |
That's fine coming from you but I don't see how it's a mistake for OP to take a shot at a game because he has position on a huge fish and vs the other players adopt a game theoretical approach in some spots where he has no idea what villain's range is but villain is probably much better than him at poker.
I'd probably do something along those lines if I took a shot at this game. |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Apr 2009, 11:46pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 02 Mar 2006
Posts: 3558
WPP: 84
Location: right here
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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | There's no point in talking about whats exploitable in spots where its obvious our opponents aren't going to exploit us in. |
two stabs in position at an orphan pot isn't a good spot to exploit? |
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