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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 1:09am Post subject: Help with draws.
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3-of-a-Kind
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EDIT: Mods, sorry for the brain lapse, but this should have been posted in BC forum. Thank You.
Lately while grinding, I find myself not knowing how to approach playing draws. I will list some examples below, but in general here is the issue. If I am first to act and decide to bet my draw at the fishy 2NL tables, i get more callers than I would like, whif on the next card, and then I REALLY don't know what to do. If I decide to check my draw, someone bets enough so that I don't have odds to call with relation to the pot (I have realized most of my poker "schooling" is limit based).
So can someone point me to a good article, or just let me know a good section of a book, or post in this thread how you typically play draws...
1. When first to act?
2. When last?
3. vs. multiple opponents?
4. vs. few op. or HU?
5. Big pot?
6. small pot?
Obviously there are a ton of possible situations, and maybe nobody will want to take the time to discuss this, but if you don't ask you won't know. In general, the fact there are no limits makes it tough for me to play when I don't have a "made hand". |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 9:13am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
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Location: Gainesville
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 9:28am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 31 Oct 2008
Posts: 418
WPP: 151
Location: Between a couple of points.
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 10:29am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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Location: Da Fiddy Ennels Sir.
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| ^^^^^^ I hate Rik Mayall, you're avatar really tilts me. ^^^^^ |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 10:33am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 31 Oct 2008
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Location: Between a couple of points.
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Rik who??
Its Hugh Laurie.... |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 10:34am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 01 Mar 2009
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| Carroters wrote: | | ^^^^^^ I hate Rik Mayall, you're avatar really tilts me. ^^^^^ |
It's funny that avatars bother you so much Carroters LOL...but I'mma have to agree. That avatar really does get on my nerves (no offense Vinland)! Go back to Otto! |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 10:35am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Posts: 673
WPP: 130
Location: Da Fiddy Ennels Sir.
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| He really looks like a different actor in that then. It still tilts me. |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 10:36am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 31 Oct 2008
Posts: 418
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Location: Between a couple of points.
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You'll have to watch the Black Adder series....then you can curb yout tilting tendancies...
Our British posters here will have a better appreciation for this... |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 10:39am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Posts: 673
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Location: Da Fiddy Ennels Sir.
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Boog you have no right to criticise anyones avatar for being annoying!  |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 10:41am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 31 Oct 2008
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| My peeve is on PS at full ring, about half the players have pet dogs in their avatars.....I turn them off so I just see blank circles... |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 10:46am Post subject:
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Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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Location: Who loves ya baby
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Rik Mayall? From bottom? the young ones? drop dead fred? Come on Vinland, you know rik Mayall.
Also, Hugh Laurie and blackadder both rock, so keep him \m/ |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 10:48am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Posts: 673
WPP: 130
Location: Da Fiddy Ennels Sir.
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| People with no avatars on stars piss me off. |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 12:50pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Posts: 673
WPP: 130
Location: Da Fiddy Ennels Sir.
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Yez Is can tells what the cards they have becos of the avatar cos it sez a lot and lot about of their personalitiez.
People wiv fish avatars is usually fish. |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 1:20pm Post subject: Re: Help with draws.
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Full House
Joined: 16 Sep 2005
Posts: 1144
WPP: 162
Location: Billings, Montana
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| KeeKoLy wrote: | EDIT: Mods, sorry for the brain lapse, but this should have been posted in BC forum. Thank You.
Lately while grinding, I find myself not knowing how to approach playing draws. I will list some examples below, but in general here is the issue. If I am first to act and decide to bet my draw at the fishy 2NL tables, i get more callers than I would like, whif on the next card, and then I REALLY don't know what to do. If I decide to check my draw, someone bets enough so that I don't have odds to call with relation to the pot (I have realized most of my poker "schooling" is limit based).
So can someone point me to a good article, or just let me know a good section of a book, or post in this thread how you typically play draws...
1. When first to act?
2. When last?
3. vs. multiple opponents?
4. vs. few op. or HU?
5. Big pot?
6. small pot?
Obviously there are a ton of possible situations, and maybe nobody will want to take the time to discuss this, but if you don't ask you won't know. In general, the fact there are no limits makes it tough for me to play when I don't have a "made hand". |
I think you need to take your analysis a step further.
How would you play a 4 out draw in all 6 of those situations?
How about an 8 or 9 out draw?
What about 13-15 outs?
21 confirmed outs?
Play differs greatly on the flop, than the turn, DUCY?
What about your opponents? Are they bluffy? Weak/tight? Spewtardedly aggressive? Can you get your moneys worth out of them if you catch good, or do you need the pot to totally justify your outs?
Most importanlty: Do they have the stack to justify the call when you're on a draw, and do you think you can get Break-even or better out of them when you do catch? |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 1:24pm Post subject: Re: Help with draws.
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 13 Mar 2009
Posts: 78
WPP: 100
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| Ragnar4 wrote: | | KeeKoLy wrote: | EDIT: Mods, sorry for the brain lapse, but this should have been posted in BC forum. Thank You.
Lately while grinding, I find myself not knowing how to approach playing draws. I will list some examples below, but in general here is the issue. If I am first to act and decide to bet my draw at the fishy 2NL tables, i get more callers than I would like, whif on the next card, and then I REALLY don't know what to do. If I decide to check my draw, someone bets enough so that I don't have odds to call with relation to the pot (I have realized most of my poker "schooling" is limit based).
So can someone point me to a good article, or just let me know a good section of a book, or post in this thread how you typically play draws...
1. When first to act?
2. When last?
3. vs. multiple opponents?
4. vs. few op. or HU?
5. Big pot?
6. small pot?
Obviously there are a ton of possible situations, and maybe nobody will want to take the time to discuss this, but if you don't ask you won't know. In general, the fact there are no limits makes it tough for me to play when I don't have a "made hand". |
I think you need to take your analysis a step further.
How would you play a 4 out draw in all 6 of those situations?
How about an 8 or 9 out draw?
What about 13-15 outs?
21 confirmed outs?
Play differs greatly on the flop, than the turn, DUCY?
What about your opponents? Are they bluffy? Weak/tight? Spewtardedly aggressive? Can you get your moneys worth out of them if you catch good, or do you need the pot to totally justify your outs?
Most importanlty: Do they have the stack to justify the call when you're on a draw, and do you think you can get Break-even or better out of them when you do catch? |
For a minute there I thought someone changed the title of my post to "let talk about avatars". Thanks for a real reply Ragnar. I understand why play will differ greatly between the flop and turn, as you still have two cards to come vs. one. And I also realize that there are many types of draws like you point out, buy I wasn't sure anyone would answer if I made the question that in depth... |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 1:26pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 31 Oct 2008
Posts: 418
WPP: 151
Location: Between a couple of points.
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| Yeah sorry about that....but make sure you check out the article link I posted. Its full of info.... |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 2:34pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 16 Sep 2005
Posts: 1144
WPP: 162
Location: Billings, Montana
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| Vinland wrote: | | Yeah sorry about that....but make sure you check out the article link I posted. Its full of info.... |
Meh it's ok.
To be quite honest, I think that spoon assumes you understand some stuff that the ley beginner may not have any clue about. In order to get the most out of that article, I think you need to be an intermediate player. I also feel like there is so much more out there when considering draws, that just flat doesn't get covered.
All Spoon talks about is calling, along with a 3 paragraph interlude about the "free card play". |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 8:35pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 08 Oct 2008
Posts: 1439
WPP: 99
Location: Boxing Kirby's -> (@'.')@ @('.'@)
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My avatar is better than your avatars  . |
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Posted: Tue, 31 Mar 2009, 9:15pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 05 Jan 2009
Posts: 2223
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Location: sigh..nit ring
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| Carroters wrote: | Yez Is can tells what the cards they have becos of the avatar cos it sez a lot and lot about of their personalitiez.
People wiv fish avatars is usually fish. |
ive actually found this to be sort of true. |
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