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Post Posted: Tue, 07 Mar 2006, 4:11pm    Post subject: Help Defend the Legality of Online Poker! Reply with quote
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Visit this thread and send your House Representative a letter urging him/her to vote against Representative Bob Goodlatte's bill to outlaw online poker! This bill is utterly ridiculous - it suggests that online poker is not a skill game and should be outlawed (yet state lotteries and betting on horses is ok), and that the ISP's would deny access to these websites... doesn't that sound like a serious infringement on our own rights?

Fight the power and rage against the machine and all that!!!

http://capwiz.com/pokerplayersalliance/issues/alert/?alertid=8522976
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Post Posted: Tue, 07 Mar 2006, 4:18pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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done.
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Post Posted: Tue, 07 Mar 2006, 5:17pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Post Posted: Tue, 07 Mar 2006, 6:14pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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done and done. nj has been spoken for.
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Post Posted: Tue, 07 Mar 2006, 6:44pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Done.....
.......in November.

Do it for all the reason's ttanaka said. But if you become a member, you can use your member number as a Party reload BONUSCODE. Cool http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23744&highlight=alliance

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Post Posted: Tue, 07 Mar 2006, 6:54pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Virginia Foxx (R-NC 5th)

Edit: Virginia Foxx is a fucking dolt.

2nd Edit: Normally I don't talk much about politics. I really dislike talking about politics. However, I feel the need to say something now.

I wish these fucking fatass republican bastards who became politicians because they suck at life so bad would quit putting up an act like they really lift a fucking finger for their fatass paycheck.

*huff and puff*

Okay. I think I'm better now.


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must suck to live in the US right now if this is an issue. having to pay taxes on winnings on top, and canada looks even better than usual.
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It sucks for everyone. How many Americans play online poker? Tons. If they can't play, who the hell are us Canadians gonna play? Europeans, yay Razz This is an issue for everyone who plays online poker.
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spoonitnow wrote:
I wish these fucking fatass republican bastards who became politicians because they suck at life so bad would quit putting up an act like they really life a fucking finger for their fatass paycheck.


You mean like running your car off a bridge and leaving your "date" in it to die? Or you mean like spooging on some ugly fat bitch while you're talking to leader of a foreign nation? Or maybe you mean lying about being wounded by "enemy" fire to get a Purple Heart and an early trip home? Whoops, those were all Donks.

Don't point the finger at "Republican politicians". They are ALL worthless shitbags.
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Or how about a bunch of dumbasses keep trying to ruin threads! Keep it on topic dumbasses.
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courtiebee wrote:
If they can't play, who the hell are us Canadians gonna play? Europeans, yay Razz


I don't exactly know what you're trying to say, but I'm not happy.

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I wish these fucking fatass republican bastards who became politicians because they suck at life so bad would quit putting up an act like they really life a fucking finger for their fatass paycheck.
Look at who co-signed the bill....two republicans and a democrat, so instead of your adolescent cursing and political grandstanding use your abundant energy and email the link to all the poker players you know.
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Wow - Whats with the anti online poker attitude,

Just move to Scotland - No taxes need paid on your winnings!!!!!!

It is the Best country in the world after all Dancing
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Gareth wrote:
Wow - Whats with the anti online poker attitude,

Just move to Scotland - No taxes need paid on your winnings!!!!!!

It is the Best country in the world after all Dancing


hahahahhahahahhahahahaha
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For fairness.

I wish these fucking fatass democrat bastards who became politicians because they suck at life so bad would quit putting up an act like they really lift a fucking finger for their fatass paycheck.

There, that's better.
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It just so happens that my congressman's wife was my Gifted Education Teacher in High School who knows me pretty well, if I don't get a response back soon on this issue, I'll calling her to see if I can speak with him regarding this...I love connections.
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It just so happens that my congressman's wife was my Gifted Education Teacher in High School


you were a sped?
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Muxy wrote:
lambchopdc wrote:
It just so happens that my congressman's wife was my Gifted Education Teacher in High School


you were a sped?


BWNED
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daluchy wrote:
done and done. nj has been spoken for.

Did this weeks ago but I brought up the UAE Port issue. I got a response from one NJ Dem. telling me they plan to block the UAE Port proposal. I guess I distracted them from the reason I was really writing them. I'm not even clear on why they want to ban it. I just know the reason can't be logical.
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It just so happens that my congressman's wife was my Gifted Education Teacher in High School who knows me pretty well, if I don't get a response back soon on this issue, I'll calling her to see if I can speak with him regarding this...I love connections.


Well played
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r8ed wrote:
daluchy wrote:
done and done. nj has been spoken for.

Did this weeks ago but I brought up the UAE Port issue. I got a response from one NJ Dem. telling me they plan to block the UAE Port proposal. I guess I distracted them from the reason I was really writing them. I'm not even clear on why they want to ban it. I just know the reason can't be logical.


You can't be serious? They want to ban it because they can't tax it. Even if the "ban" doesn't go through, you know that some sort of extra "Internet Gambling Tax" will be added.
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It sucks for everyone. How many Americans play online poker? Tons. If they can't play, who the hell are us Canadians gonna play? Europeans, yay Razz This is an issue for everyone who plays online poker.


Anyone know what proportion of online players are US based? I've heard it's over half, but can't remember where I read it. Regardless, that's a lot of fish to take out of the pond - not that I think it's gonna happen.
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Ok, so apparantly today the Senate snuck their version of the amendment into some random energy bill, but apparantly it doesn't matter because they have done this every year and its been deleted when the bill gets to conference committee. Also apparantly the World Trade Organization will BWN the US if they go through with this anyway. Quote from Pocket Fives -

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I believe the amendment was tacked on to an Energy Subsidy Bill for the poor that was passed in the Senate today. More importantly, though, is that Sen. Kyl has had an amendment passed to ban online gambling virtually every year (the first one passed 90-10 in 1998), yet the problem is that the text of the Senate bill is very different from the text of the house bill and they (over about 6 years of trying) have never been able to reach a comprimise. Most importantly in question is an exemption for Off-Track betting and the ability for Intra-state online gaming over interstate internet connections. So, all in all, the amendment will be tacked on to a bill that the Senate must pass (Sen. Kyl has done this in the past tp avoid debate on the bill), but it does not match to house bill, and gambling will remain in the gray area it currently is.
Additionally, the WTO courts have ruled in the Aruba decision that the US cannot ban online gambling unless it bans all gambling (including state lottery). Thus, any gambling ban would still not be enforced becasue the US would then subject itself to WTO penalty. Hehe, our government is selling out ports to a UAE company, Dick Cheney is shooting people, and our senators are working to sneak legislation in that bans a hobby! Gotta love congress.


I'm gonna look into this WTO to see what its about. But it sounds promissing because you KNOW the US won't ditch state lottery.
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Well....the US government is retarded....thats all I can say...apparantly they tried banning online gaming before...and the WTO PWNED them....go World Trade Organization -

EDIT: Ok that article sucked...
Does anyone have a NY Times Subscription who can get this article for me -

TECHNOLOGY; Trade Group Says U.S. Ban on Net Gambling Violates Global Law

More information. March 26, 2004, Friday
By MATT RICHTEL (NYT); Business/Financial Desk
Late Edition - Final, Section C, Page 5, Column 2, 1101 words
DISPLAYING FIRST 50 OF 1101 WORDS -The World Trade Organization, in its first decision on an Internet-related dispute, has ignited a political, cultural and legal tinderbox by ruling that the United States policy prohibiting online gambling violates international trade law. The ruling, issued by a W.T.O. panel on Wednesday, is being hailed by operators of

I can't get the rest without paying for it.


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WTO rulings mean squat to US politicians. Canada has won tons of these against the US in our ongoing softwood lumber dispute, but does the US care? No. The US will do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, and will always act in its best interest first (ie. business interest).
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Warpe wrote:
WTO rulings mean squat to US politicians. Canada has won tons of these against the US in our ongoing softwood lumber dispute, but does the US care? No. The US will do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, and will always act in its best interest first (ie. business interest).


Why does every post about things like this have to turn into a US bashing? Stupid Canucks.
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lambchopdc wrote:
Warpe wrote:
WTO rulings mean squat to US politicians. Canada has won tons of these against the US in our ongoing softwood lumber dispute, but does the US care? No. The US will do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, and will always act in its best interest first (ie. business interest).


Why does every post about things like this have to turn into a US bashing? Stupid Canucks.


It's not intended as a US bash, so please don't take it as such (and I'll ignore the Canucks comment). It's just a reality. The US is a superpower, in both military and economic terms, and as such does not allow itself to be dictated to by organizations such as the WTO, unless it deems that complying with certain international agreements/treaties is in its interest.

As far as online gaming goes, who stands to gain in the US if it is made an illegal activity? Who stands to lose? Are gambling interests in the US losing money to offshore gambling interests because it exists or getting a bigger customer base because of increased exposure? Or both? Or do US gambling interests have a piece of the action anyway? The answers to those questions are what will ultimately determine whether it survives or not. Follow the money.
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Warpe wrote:
lambchopdc wrote:
Warpe wrote:
WTO rulings mean squat to US politicians. Canada has won tons of these against the US in our ongoing softwood lumber dispute, but does the US care? No. The US will do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, and will always act in its best interest first (ie. business interest).


Why does every post about things like this have to turn into a US bashing? Stupid Canucks.


It's not intended as a US bash, so please don't take it as such (and I'll ignore the Canucks comment). It's just a reality. The US is a superpower, in both military and economic terms, and as such does not allow itself to be dictated to by organizations such as the WTO, unless it deems that complying with certain international agreements/treaties is in its interest.

As far as online gaming goes, who stands to gain in the US if it is made an illegal activity? Who stands to lose? Are gambling interests in the US losing money to offshore gambling interests because it exists or getting a bigger customer base because of increased exposure? Or both? Or do US gambling interests have a piece of the action anyway? The answers to those questions are what will ultimately determine whether it survives or not. Follow the money.


You miss another point.....in the US, if the people bitch for long enough and loud enough, we eventually get our way. Poker being the 3rd most watched sport in the nation right now....if this issue gets big enough...I have full faith the public will eventually win. Votes = power. Thats why we send e-mails like this post says, because if you put pressure on politicians with your power to fire their asses when their term ends, you can influence their decisions. And for that, I love this Country. And btw, I was joking about the Canucks thing, but I still hate your country for allowing Muxy to be born.
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You miss another point.....in the US, if the people bitch for long enough and loud enough, we eventually get our way. Poker being the 3rd most watched sport in the nation right now....if this issue gets big enough...I have full faith the public will eventually win. Votes = power. Thats why we send e-mails like this post says, because if you put pressure on politicians with your power to fire their asses when their term ends, you can influence their decisions. And for that, I love this Country. And btw, I was joking about the Canucks thing, but I still hate your country for allowing Muxy to be born.


I just hope for everyone's sake that some faction of the far Republican right doesn't take up banning online gambling as a mission, because I think they could mobilize more voters than the poker 'community' ever could, given the right stimulus.

Don't be dissin' my countryman, the Muxy. He can't help it. He wasn't born, he's a genetic experiment gone wrong (why do you think he wears the hoody?).
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Warpe wrote:
The US is a superpower, in both military and economic terms, and as such does not allow itself to be dictated to by organizations such as the WTO, unless it deems that complying with certain international agreements/treaties is in its interest.


There's an axiomatic truth that explains why the US regularly does what it wants. Most of the international community is completely retarded (not canada). This WTO thing is accidentally logical. By that I mean the WTO is really only interested in the US money, but they have a human rights leg to stand on as they attempt the widescale pilferage. Just my ignorant badly thought out opinion.

I can see high ranking WTO officials in a back room somewhere going "rake it bitch!".
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Warpe wrote:
lambchopdc wrote:


You miss another point.....in the US, if the people bitch for long enough and loud enough, we eventually get our way. Poker being the 3rd most watched sport in the nation right now....if this issue gets big enough...I have full faith the public will eventually win. Votes = power. Thats why we send e-mails like this post says, because if you put pressure on politicians with your power to fire their asses when their term ends, you can influence their decisions. And for that, I love this Country. And btw, I was joking about the Canucks thing, but I still hate your country for allowing Muxy to be born.


I just hope for everyone's sake that some faction of the far Republican right doesn't take up banning online gambling as a mission, because I think they could mobilize more voters than the poker 'community' ever could, given the right stimulus.

Don't be dissin' my countryman, the Muxy. He can't help it. He wasn't born, he's a genetic experiment gone wrong (why do you think he wears the hoody?).


Not my fault the chemicals they put in my when i was in the womb. Made me P________s bigger.

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lolol nah dog jk.


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Okay so what's new with this?
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This is new:
On june 7th, 06 online gambling in Washington state will become a class C felony.
http://www.poker777.com/20060504/online-poker-busts-out-in-washington-state-with-new-anti-gambling-laws_47b2_ogcdjr.php
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Uggh, that poopyhead Goodlatte is making progress...

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6068432.html?tag=sas.email
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CardPlayer article that's a little more encouraging:

http://cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/showarticle.php?a_id=15416&m_id=65588
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Very encouraging. I feel much better. There's more legislation against online poker and a new letter that we can send to our US Senators and House Rep's.

http://capwiz.com/keep_it_legal/issues/alert/?alertid=8637406

Fill this out ASAP! No retard politician that I wouldn't hire to mow my lawn is going to tell me whether I can play poker or not.
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Encouraging in that the article points out that the legislation, if it's even passed, faces a host of hurdles in its enforcement (at least with respect to individuals). I'm encouraged, but I don't derive a substantial part of my livelihood from poker or related businesses, so the outcome isn't as meaningful to me as it probably is to you.
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when y'all started discussing this I sent a letter to my Senators (I didn't know it was just a House Bill at time) and my Representative stating in brief that:

1. Gambling is a victimless "crime" (assuming it becomes illegal) in that people only victimize themselves.

2. Since The Government is probably mostly interested in this for the loss of tax base, I propose that perhaps the government put in place a simple tracking system which tracks money in and money out so that sites can essentially issue a W2 form. Now before y'all get all honked up at me for introducing a "tracking system" i put it to you that it's better than elimination of poker from US web traffic.

3. Making on line poker illegal would lead to making B&M Casinos illegal and that will be fought tooth and nail.

4. Making it illegal would only introduce "black market" betting with lesser controls, greater options to defraud government out of taxes (their primary concern) and greater opportunities to defraud the individual.


I am sure they gave a shit one way or another what I though.

And there goes another sarcasm meter overloaded.
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Sent. Having a California address, mine went to the following:
Representative Lungren
Senator Boxer
Senator Feinstein

Boxer and Feinstein sent auto-replies saying to fill out forms on their sites which I did. Lungren's auto-reply said that he will respond shortly.
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Post Posted: Thu, 15 Jun 2006, 5:48pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Ditto.
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Post Posted: Sat, 17 Jun 2006, 6:50am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Did my part Reppin' Hawaii.
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