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Post Posted: Sat, 15 Nov 2008, 4:33am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Post Posted: Mon, 24 Nov 2008, 2:22pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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What a sick sick cruise.

Had a great time. Split action in the Main Event (2.7k buyin) with 3 friends, one of whom was chip leader more than half way through after set-over-setting me (chip dump obv).

Somehow none of us paid out but it was a great fking time.

Back to the grind wheeeee...
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pfft drunken memories are way better imo
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Genitruc wrote:
What a sick sick cruise.

Had a great time. Split action in the Main Event (2.7k buyin) with 3 friends, one of whom was chip leader more than half way through after set-over-setting me (chip dump obv).

Somehow none of us paid out but it was a great fking time.

Back to the grind wheeeee...


Some highlights had to be :

-Andy on the dancefloor at any point in time (lawnmower ftl)
-Alexos telling a bunch of brits that he was a PokerRoom manager and offering them Rakeback at 5 am and the actual poker manager pretending that he was alexos and owned them online (yeah you had to be there) and then proceeded to ask the crew staff on what deck level they sold Crack.
-Polish dealer omg broke my heart
-Bubbling main event wat?
-Wheel of fortune?!!

We should write a trip report but it would probably get a lot of people potentially in trouble so probably not a good idea.
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oh god, i think we should get Jesper to write the TR Razz hah!
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trip report would be so deadly but so awesome agreed

we should just invent gimmick accounts and change all our names then shipit
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Genitruc wrote:
trip report would be so deadly but so awesome agreed

we should just invent gimmick accounts and change all our names then shipit


Saw some of andy and dylan's pics. Looked like a good time boys. Dylan has some drink spillage issues!

so did you other guys make some money in the cash games? I know alex is a live donk.. so that answers that.
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i made maybe 1k in cash but dropping 2.7k in the main event and running ice-cold in donk n go's made it a losing trip financially
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lawnmower ftl? psssssssssssh
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lawnmower ftl? psssssssssssh


heard you're bringing some short stacking styles to Crypto?
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haha yea, ill try not to tilt you guys too hard
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i m sitting to the immediate left of a guy playing 96/3

he has 700bb's

it's all mine
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make it 800bb's
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Post Posted: Mon, 01 Dec 2008, 6:59am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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so u stack him yet? been 42 minutes now
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only got 2 buyins back before he quit

highlights were :

AQ vs his 22 on QQ2 flop in rr pot
my backdoor flush vs him running boat on 428AA
my AT vs his A9 all in on turn on A2259
my J9 vs his flushdraw all in on turn 200bb's deep on 25J93 (riv completes flush obv)
my AJ vs his J5 on JJT board ai on flop (chop ftw obv)

that s all i can remember. he left with about 750bb's after butt fking some other ppl too. it was a night to remember.

I'm guessing at his stats but I paid close attention to every hand at the table (i ran at about 55/50, making each of his limps 8x... he didn't fold once and routinely cold-called other regs' 3 bets of my punishes with stuff like 59o). He folded preflop 4 times in 5 hours at the table and raised probably under 10 times total.

My favourite hand was him owning me by calling 3 barrels on AT726 board vs my open-ended str8 flushdraw including a river shove when he his 4th pair w 69o.
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Genitruc wrote:
only got 2 buyins back before he quit

highlights were :

AQ vs his 22 on QQ2 flop in rr pot
my backdoor flush vs him running boat on 428AA
my AT vs his A9 all in on turn on A2259
my J9 vs his flushdraw all in on turn 200bb's deep on 25J93 (riv completes flush obv)
my AJ vs his J5 on JJT board ai on flop (chop ftw obv)

that s all i can remember. he left with about 750bb's after butt fking some other ppl too. it was a night to remember.

I'm guessing at his stats but I paid close attention to every hand at the table (i ran at about 55/50, making each of his limps 8x... he didn't fold once and routinely cold-called other regs' 3 bets of my punishes with stuff like 59o). He folded preflop 4 times in 5 hours at the table and raised probably under 10 times total.

My favourite hand was him owning me by calling 3 barrels on AT726 board vs my open-ended str8 flushdraw including a river shove when he his 4th pair w 69o.


holy geez... limits? who was this guy and sounds like you lost a lot to him?

bah fishhhh

I hate fish on your left, though I still think fish on your left is > no fish at all.

I had an 85/35 next to me two days ago who owned my life too... was pretty annoying!
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i meant to my immediate right

it was so awesome... It was at 1-2 pounds and i was making it 14 preflop almost every hand and he would just limp-call every every every single hand

having position on him makes it even more incredible that he took stack after stack after stack. His SN was something like Veon26137...
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life stuff has been relatively brutal of late. i ve been grinding school stuff like a poopyhead and that has lead to a grand total of 1.5k hands of poker in december so far

vacation starts sunday for me. the plan is 15k hands in 3 days, then a total break. gl me. i ll post anything worth posting if i have time/tilt in between sessions.
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Genitruc wrote:
life stuff has been relatively brutal of late. i ve been grinding school stuff like a poopyhead and that has lead to a grand total of 1.5k hands of poker in december so far

vacation starts sunday for me. the plan is 15k hands in 3 days, then a total break. gl me. i ll post anything worth posting if i have time/tilt in between sessions.


gl with school stuff! I SHOULD be grinding school stuff more.... you'll have to teach me how to avoid the poker slacking off!
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so far I've played 10k hands in 3 days

not quite 15k but I'm happy with the discipline

I've been playing 10-14 tables of nl and plo between 1-2 and 5-10

my few forays into 5-10 have resulted in 2 buyins lost, AA being -2.4k etc

(insert running bad b.s.)

oh well I'm playing pretty great imo. fk it.
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haven't updated in 4ever but I'm too tilted not to post this somewhere

I had a whaaaaaaaaale down to his last 600$ after sitting down with him deep at 5-10. Got it in w KK on KQx dd vs his bare flushdraw.

11 minutes later he was sitting on 6.3k and instaquit after winning AJ to my QQ AI pre 300bb's deep.

My roll is short these days and I'm only playing when the games are great since school is my #1 priority until the summer. Recently I have been on my worst downswing ever (somewhere between 15 and 20k depending on the value of the pound). I had won most of it back until tonight.

I just need to write asdjkf;JKD;SAJF A;DS JA;SFDAKS;
AASD FA
SJD KFLA
JWEIA
FEWJ KAS
DJ
SDAIJ
OIF JD T8W934389 T
EJ
goi FDJDFKJ KSD JFAKDS JSDA`KJFA;SDKJSAK;F JA;DSK A;DSKJFA;DSK J;SDAF;KJA

Ok that's much better.
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Man, that sucks.
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bjsaust wrote:
Man, that sucks.

those 3 words actually felt pretty good to read.

Bjaust I haven't kept up with things much but if you're playing these days, find your toughest hand from the past while and just for shits and giggles I'll give as detailed a thought process for every street as I can.

If bjaust doesn't read this soon and somebody else actually peeks at this old blog sometime, let me know who you are (if I don't already) and post a tough hand. I'll get on the 1st one I find and go as deeply into it as I can.

I guess I'm just in one of those moods.
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also a random comment about variance :

today my closest poker friend - a 5 ptbb winner at 2-5 and 5-10 over his past 170k hands - dropped 12k at 2-5 and lower. The ev graph was pretty much a straight line towards break-evenville.

seriously.
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also a random comment about variance :

today my closest poker friend - a 5 ptbb winner at 2-5 and 5-10 over his past 170k hands - dropped 12k at 2-5 and lower. The ev graph was pretty much a straight line towards break-evenville.

seriously.


Blaah yah I heard/witnessed this on Crypto.

No more running bad boys! Time to turn things around.

gl gen, and I applaud you for making school #1 priority. I can't do it.. this thesis is getting nowhere.. sigh. How's your stuff going?
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Genitruc wrote:
also a random comment about variance :

today my closest poker friend - a 5 ptbb winner at 2-5 and 5-10 over his past 170k hands - dropped 12k at 2-5 and lower. The ev graph was pretty much a straight line towards break-evenville.

seriously.


Blaah yah I heard/witnessed this on Crypto.

No more running bad boys! Time to turn things around.

gl gen, and I applaud you for making school #1 priority. I can't do it.. this thesis is getting nowhere.. sigh. How's your stuff going?
I can see the light at the end of the tunnel

Should be finished by early June. Man it's killing me to watch ppl grind 80k hand months and make the maniez, but I just really have to get this over with.
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Thanks for offer Smile. Just started up again after a couple months break and running hot atm. Havnt had a heap of tough hands, but this one I guess confused me as there were multiple options on every street:

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
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Stacks:
UTG titu49 ($20.97)
UTG 1 reyes666 ($76.10)
CO DyingWolf ($46.75)
BTN Hero ($53.15)
SB Calicles ($52.15)
BB kaurty ($55.25)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN Ace of Spades Jack of Spades
titu49 calls $0.50, 1 fold, DyingWolf raises to $2.50, Hero calls $2.50, 2 folds, titu49 calls $2

Flop: Four of Diamonds Two of Spades King of Spades ($8.25, 3 players)
titu49 checks, DyingWolf bets $3, Hero calls $3, titu49 calls $3

Turn: Eight of Clubs ($17.25, 3 players)
titu49 checks, DyingWolf bets $6, Hero calls $6, titu49 calls $6

River: Nine of Hearts ($35.25, 3 players)
titu49 checks, DyingWolf bets $11, Hero calls $11, titu49 folds

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No reads on either person beyond small sample stats suggesting DyingWolf as very laggy and titu as very loose passive. One of my things is where I might normally semi-bluff, but get offered good odds.
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Flop I c/r this hand fairly often, or lead out. As played, turn I call given the odds he's giving. River - he's not betting into two ppl here with worse than A high, so despite the odds we're getting, I fold here. If this was HU, I might call.
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PFR acts before me on all streets. Its funny, if he bets say $5 on flop I probably raise him, but for only $3 into an $11 pot the odds just win me over. Do you think his range is weak enough and contains enough stuff that beats me but would fold to a river shove?
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PFR acts before me on all streets. Its funny, if he bets say $5 on flop I probably raise him, but for only $3 into an $11 pot the odds just win me over. Do you think his range is weak enough and contains enough stuff that beats me but would fold to a river shove?



I wouldn't get too fancy here, we don't know what the player left to act has. We could own ourselves bluff raising, if he's strong here. If you were last to act, its possible, but we aren't repping anything.
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PFR acts before me on all streets. Its funny, if he bets say $5 on flop I probably raise him, but for only $3 into an $11 pot the odds just win me over. Do you think his range is weak enough and contains enough stuff that beats me but would fold to a river shove?


I've never given 'odds' as much thought as I probably should, but I seem to have the opposite reaction you do. When I see that small bet and I have an over and the NFD i'm just thinking about building the pot in position so I make it 13$ and it also often gives us an opportunity to see a free turn card that we can check behind if that is what we're feeling.

I just call pre and I fold the river as you played it.
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Yeah, this thought occurred to me too. If I read that small bet as weakness, then I add a lot of fold equity to my pot equity, meaning I should really be more likely to semi-bluff here than v's a std c-bet.
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these guys know what they're talking about

fwiw I had already seen this hand posted in your blog after offering to give out a thought process and I immediately was like wtf no flop raise

maybe if I'm high in an hour or so I'll give some sort of mathematical rationale for the flop CR or lead

hit me with another one of you want
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Ok, I thought this was an interesting spot. Looks standard at first, but I think maybe stack sizes change things a bit.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
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Stacks:
UTG dr-gonzo ($51.50)
UTG 1 reijokinnas ($58.35)
CO xxxspykexxx ($41.35)
BTN Hero ($35.80)
SB Ozka ($27.30)
BB Gantsgorn30 ($49.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN Seven of Clubs Ace of Clubs
2 folds, xxxspykexxx calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, Ozka calls $2, Gantsgorn30 calls $1.75, xxxspykexxx folds

Flop: Jack of Spades Ten of Clubs Nine of Clubs ($7.25, 3 players)
Ozka checks, Gantsgorn30 checks, Hero bets $4, Ozka raises to $8, Gantsgorn30 folds, Hero raises to $33.55, Ozka calls $17.05

Isolation PF is v's a 50/5 serial limp/call/fold'er. Two guys who flat me are both kind of 30/10 type guys. No good reads beyond stats. I dont believe my A or 8 are valid outs, so I'm really only going for the flush, but I cant fold to the min-raise, and flatting with him being so short cant be good, but I'm about to stack off as a 30% chance. Maybe not c-betting is an option, but I think I have too much equity for that.
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bj - If villain c/r you here was a full stack, I might even say flat his c/r. I don't think the 8 is a clean out all that often, and I don't think we have that much fold equity on this type of board. But given his stack, shovey shovey.
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an interesting question is whether or not there s a point where playing the flop vs a short and vs a deep stacked opponent become similar facing the flop CR.

as played there's nothing wrong with flatting the flop raise and evaluating the turn. he s usually not folding when you nut and may play passively if one of a million turn cards hit, giving you a free river (if a turn J, T, 9, 8, 7, K or Q doesn t improve his hand) so I think flatting the flop raise is def +ev.

as to whether shoving is more +ev, we d have to know more about the villain to know what kind of range he s representing here since some ppl will raise this with a with variety of shit and some will only raise this with top 2 or better.

without knowing that, we just have to assume he s somewhere in between, giving us something like 38% equity vs his CR range which easily justifies shoving with all the money in the pot but probably makes calling a better play just to fold the turn unimproved to a decent-sized bet
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I assume he's got at least TP+draw or better. I dont remember having much of a read on him.

If we call and he shoves turn we have to call $17 into a $23 pot, which isnt a hard fold with only 1 street to come, and we can call flop with $4 into $19 pot on pot odds alone. I think it comes down to FE and I really dont think I had any there.
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Mind looking at one more?

Villain in this hand is running at 15% 3-bet and high c-bet. Flop is a fairly standard attempt by me to exploit his range, good or bad? I know most bluffs without equity are bad, but his range is so wide here I figure I pick up the pot a lot and he cant continue with much. Then on turn I find myself with a PSB and backdoored a FD. Was confused how to handle it. I figured rather than push I'd put in a 2/3 psb and give myself odds to call if he shoves over. I figure I'm representing either a set or FD so he may find a fold here:


$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
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Stacks:
UTG ($56.15)
UTG 1 ($177.21)
CO ($99.70)
Hero (BTN) ($52.45)
SB ($100.25)
BB ($56.10)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN King of Diamonds Jack of Spades
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, BB raises to $4.75, Hero calls $3.25

Flop: Seven of Spades Two of Diamonds Four of Spades ($9.75, 2 players)
BB bets $4, Hero raises to $13, BB calls $9

Turn: Queen of Spades ($35.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20, BB raises to $38.35, Hero calls $14.70
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gotta run right now but interesting hand ; i ll think about it and respond soon.
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Post Posted: Sun, 08 Feb 2009, 8:16am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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k i m pretty baked and exhausted right now after throwing a party but my first reaction is that preflop is o.k. to good, flop is meh to o.k. and turn is bad to meh. i ll try and spit something coherant out after I wake up.
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Post Posted: Sun, 08 Feb 2009, 10:41am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Genitruc wrote:
k i m pretty baked and exhausted right now after throwing a party but my first reaction is that preflop is o.k. to good, flop is meh to o.k. and turn is bad to meh. i ll try and spit something coherant out after I wake up.


Which part of turn do you think is meh? I think once he bluff raises turn, he should certainly be continuing on this card. The call though... I'm not sure about.
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Post Posted: Sun, 08 Feb 2009, 4:27pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Spoke to Griffey about it. I think I like his line of calling flop and betting if checked to on turn, raising if he bets turn and a spade comes in, or just folding turn if it doesnt and he bets. Turn I have to call $15 into $90 after I bet, so I've got odds, unless of course he's either already hit or has a better FD (A or K). Is that what makes the call bad?
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Post Posted: Sun, 08 Feb 2009, 7:18pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I prefer floating the flop to raising because we're repping sets and AA-KK as well as FD's and bluffs when we raise

By just calling the flop we can rep a wide range of stuff as strong as TT or even JJ, depending on his preflop history/reads of you, and the BD Jhi FD will come in handy some % of the time. There's also the added benefit of him dbl barreling a K on the turn since our range looks like small pairs so often.

Aggros don't care about monsters and just tend to put ppl on bluffs or draws so I think you'll see villain 3 bet shove a wide range of made hands here (prob 99+ and some good/spewy villains will 3 bet shove AQ or AK since you rarely have AK bluffing in this spot and they have good equity vs your overs + FD hands).

I think the key to this hand is that I don't see most aggros who are used to playing 3 bet pots OOP (and this villain def qualifies based on OP) showing up on the turn here with many midstrength made hands (stuff like TT-QQ with no spade), since those will mostly shove AI on flop.

If we could put lots of those midstrength made hands in villain's range on the turn then a decent-sized bet (like the one you made) would be good since the flush getting there is presumably a better thing for our range than his.

If I had to guess at a range distribution for the aggro 3-bettor's bet-call line on the flop I'd suggest that it's polarized to monsters and floats with the bare A or K(less likely)hi backdoor spade draw. Based on this assumption, he's check-shoving his ENTIRE RANGE on this turn (since nothing makes ppl spazz out more than floating with then picking up a BDFD), pricing you in and dominating you.

So as played I'd just check back the turn and bet the river for about half pot when checked to.
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Post Posted: Sun, 08 Feb 2009, 7:27pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Thanks, lots to think about there.
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Post Posted: Thu, 26 Feb 2009, 6:17am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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just lost 7k vs a bunch of donks at 2-5 and lower playing late night my 2nd day back grinding after a bunch of school shit

why does this always fucking happen
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Post Posted: Thu, 26 Feb 2009, 6:24am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Genitruc wrote:
just lost 7k vs a bunch of donks at 2-5 and lower playing late night my 2nd day back grinding after a bunch of school shit

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Post Posted: Thu, 26 Feb 2009, 6:24am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Post Posted: Thu, 26 Feb 2009, 10:12am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Oh man... that sucks dude.

I took a week off and played my first session like 3-4 days ago and dropped like 6k in the first hour Sad

Poker variance knows when you're vulnerable!

Good luck if you play today!
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