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Genitruc
Post Posted: Sun, 12 Oct 2008, 7:32pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Just grinded a solid 3.5 hr session. Felt like I played great and didn't come close to tilting.

One fascinating hand occured when playing a reg HU about 140bb's deep.

He 4-bet me and I felt like it was the perfect time for him to be 4-betting me light so I reshoved Q7s. He SNAPPED it off with KQo and shipped the pot.

We chatted after the hand and he said "I thought your range was Ax suited and big pairs"

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Post Posted: Sun, 12 Oct 2008, 7:41pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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lol, what? Good call for a bad reason, sucks Sad
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Post Posted: Mon, 13 Oct 2008, 2:55am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Put in a quick session at the juicy late-night tables and am happy with a solid day's work. I got into a couple interesting spots but overall didn't experience anything too crazy.

I think I'm finally getting a handle on low-limit PLO. I've been sitting at a few tables here and there and am starting to see some decent results.

Sorry if the poker content of this blog has sucked of late, but I've really tried to concentrate on the grind itself rather than everything surrounding it. In the past I've avoided playing as much as I could and taken refuge in the forums, railing ppl and talkign poker. Now is the time to grind baby.

If anybody still takes the time to read this yawn-o-blog, feel free to ask questions - be they poker specific or general stuff - and I'll do my best to answer them. If you're looking for discussion on specific situations it might motivate me to look at interesting hands so just fire away.
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don t have ptracker or anything else for PLO Sad

shit I don't even have PT3 or HEM yet, gotta get off my lazy ass
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In the past I've avoided playing as much as I could and taken refuge in the forums, railing ppl and talkign poker. Now is the time to grind baby.



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Post Posted: Mon, 13 Oct 2008, 3:39pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Just shut things down 600 hands into a session. It’s a good thing there weren’t any bananas lying around my apartment because I’d have probably eaten all of them and been constipated for a week. Felt like such a fucking monkey.

What does it take to put me on tilt? I think regs owning me hard by taking weird and fishy lines puts me on tilt. I just reviewed my HH’s and decided that 5 hands caused me to want to punch a hole in my monitor. Let’s go through them 1 by 1.

Here’s my 1st tilt-hand. Villain is a reg I’ve owned over and over and over again, mainly by playing strong and straightforward.

Seat 1: HERO (€200 in chips)
Seat 2: Chavinder (€164.70 in chips)
Seat 3: Snaitug (€200 in chips)
Seat 5: Danton (€33 in chips)
Seat 6: stekarn (€256.60 in chips)
stekarn: posts small blind €1
HERO: posts big blind €2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO King of Spades Queen of Clubs
Chavinder: folds
Snaitug: raises to €8
Danton: folds
stekarn: folds
mrxxxxx joins the table at seat #4
HERO: calls €6
----- FLOP ----- Five of Diamonds Four of Diamonds Nine of Hearts
HERO: checks
Snaitug: checks
----- TURN ----- Five of Diamonds Four of Diamonds Nine of Hearts Six of Diamonds
HERO: bets €13
Snaitug: raises to €26
HERO: raises to €62
Snaitug: calls €36
----- RIVER ----- Five of Diamonds Four of Diamonds Nine of Hearts Six of Diamonds King of Hearts
HERO: bets €130 and is all-in
Snaitug: calls €130 and is all-in
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows King of Spades Queen of Clubs (A Pair of Kings, Queen high)
Snaitug: shows Ace of Hearts Ace of Diamonds (A Pair of Aces, King high)
Snaitug collected €398 from Main pot

I’m not gonna spend a long time writing this entry, but this hand just blew my mind on so many levels. My river shove was a strange play but I really thought he’d be shoving all better hands on the turn and that the only hand that I’d be value-stacking myself vs would be AK with a diamond. My head kind of exploded when he flipped over his hand. Vs my calling range in the blinds, how can he not bet the flop? Because he thinks I’ll spaz out and 3-bet bluff a turn after he minrases me?

So I’m already steaming.

Next I play this hand vs my poker soulmate, Ravageur. Nothing much to be said except that ppl never ever give me any credit in this spot because I appear to be spewy preflop. I seriously had a bad feeling when I saw the gutshot draw on the flop :

Seat 2: Jackb2502 (£200 in chips)
Seat 3: HERO (£200 in chips)
Seat 4: 0fresh0 (£227.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Ravageur (£282.39 in chips)
Seat 6: Jibby147 (£289.10 in chips)
Jackb2502: posts small blind £1
HERO: posts big blind £2
Ravageur: posts small blind £1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO Ace of Diamonds Ace of Hearts
balmore joins the table at seat #1
0fresh0: folds
balmore sits out
Ravageur: raises to £7
Jibby147: calls £7
Jackb2502: folds
HERO: raises to £31
Ravageur: calls £24
Jibby147: calls £24
----- FLOP ----- Jack of Clubs Five of Spades King of Hearts
HERO: bets £56
gift joins the table at seat #4
Ravageur: raises to £251.39 and is all-in
Jibby147: folds
HERO: is all-in £113
Returned uncalled bets £82.39 to Ravageur
----- TURN ----- Jack of Clubs Five of Spades King of Hearts Nine of Spades
----- RIVER ----- Jack of Clubs Five of Spades King of Hearts Nine of Spades Queen of Hearts
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Ravageur: shows Ten of Clubs Ace of Clubs (A Straight, Ace high)
HERO: shows Ace of Diamonds Ace of Hearts (A Pair of Aces, King high)
Ravageur collected £429 from Main pot

So that one is just kind *sigh*… What can you do? In itself it definitely didn’t tilt me. In fact, it felt good to get it in as such a huge favourite and kind of un-tilted me.

About 3 mins later, I ran KJ into 77 on KJ7hh board at fullring for an 800$ pot. Meh.

Then this hand took place vs same villain who had AA in hand 1. It literally put me off the deep end :

Seat 1: HERO (€211.90 in chips)
Seat 2: Chavinder (€163.70 in chips)
Seat 3: Snaitug (€248.20 in chips)
Seat 4: mrxxxxx (€194.80 in chips)
Seat 5: Alang2109 (€308.60 in chips)
Seat 6: stekarn (€227.60 in chips)
HERO: posts small blind €1
Chavinder: posts big blind €2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO Ace of Hearts Ten of Hearts
Snaitug: calls €2
mrxxxxx: folds
Alang2109: folds
stekarn: folds
HERO: raises to €11
Chavinder: folds
Snaitug: calls €9
----- FLOP ----- Ten of Spades Two of Clubs Two of Diamonds
HERO: bets €16
Snaitug: raises to €40
HERO: calls €24
----- TURN ----- Ten of Spades Two of Clubs Two of Diamonds Eight of Spades
HERO: checks
Snaitug: checks
----- RIVER ----- Ten of Spades Two of Clubs Two of Diamonds Eight of Spades Jack of Spades
HERO: bets €41
Snaitug: calls €41
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows Ace of Hearts Ten of Hearts (Two Pairs, Tens and Twos, Ace high)
Snaitug: shows King of Hearts King of Diamonds (Two Pairs, Kings and Twos, Jack high)
Snaitug collected €183 from Main pot

How can ppl play so bad and own me so good? I seriously don’t know what to say about this hand. It’s fascinating how much it tilted me. Any advice or comments are welcome. Seriously why does shit like this drive me off the deep end?

The proverbial nail-in-the-coffin to my shortlived session came during 2 small pots that occurred simultaneously. Nothing too weird, but seriously what the poop is going on in the 1st hand (oop float) and I just shut down my cpu after the oesd hit the river in the 2nd one :

Seat 1: Yorkie25 ($473.45 in chips)
Seat 2: Teamgods1 ($278.01 in chips)
Seat 3: KWR460 ($480 in chips)
Seat 6: Lovequeen ($222 in chips)
Seat 7: HERO ($545 in chips)
Seat 8: Neemelo ($480 in chips)
Seat 10: mmhhmm ($288 in chips)
mmhhmm: posts small blind $2
Yorkie25: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO Ace of Spades Five of Spades
Teamgods1: calls $5
KWR460: folds
0fresh0 joins the table at seat #4
Lovequeen: folds
HERO: raises to $21
Neemelo: folds
mmhhmm: folds
Yorkie25: folds
Teamgods1: calls $16
----- FLOP ----- Queen of Diamonds Four of Hearts Queen of Hearts
Teamgods1: checks
HERO: bets $31
Teamgods1: calls $31
----- TURN ----- Queen of Diamonds Four of Hearts Queen of Hearts Five of Hearts
Teamgods1: checks
HERO: checks
----- RIVER ----- Queen of Diamonds Four of Hearts Queen of Hearts Five of Hearts Ten of Clubs
Teamgods1: checks
HERO: checks
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Teamgods1: shows King of Hearts Ten of Spades (Two Pairs, Queens and Tens, King high)
HERO: mucks hand Ace of Spades Five of Spades
Teamgods1 collected $108 from Main pot

Seat 1: dunderich ($46.75 in chips)
Seat 2: HERO ($301.70 in chips)
Seat 3: Napstar ($61.35 in chips)
Seat 4: Kaiser004 ($68 in chips)
Seat 5: Bob26071 ($38 in chips)
Seat 6: placebo66 ($199.28 in chips)
Seat 7: PaulB75 ($405.69 in chips)
Seat 8: The_miko ($63.80 in chips)
Seat 9: Sarah66 ($45 in chips)
Seat 10: Gonnaneed ($73 in chips)
Bob26071: posts small blind $1
placebo66: posts big blind $2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO Ace of Hearts Queen of Hearts
PaulB75: folds
The_miko: calls $2
Sarah66: folds
Gonnaneed: folds
dunderich: folds
HERO: raises to $8
Napstar: folds
Kaiser004: folds
Bob26071: folds
placebo66: folds
The_miko: calls $6
----- FLOP ----- Five of Spades Eight of Hearts Seven of Clubs
The_miko: checks
HERO: checks
----- TURN ----- Five of Spades Eight of Hearts Seven of Clubs Queen of Clubs
The_miko: bets $8
HERO: raises to $35
The_miko: raises to $55.80 and is all-in
HERO: calls $20.80
----- RIVER ----- Five of Spades Eight of Hearts Seven of Clubs Queen of Clubs Nine of Spades
----- SHOW DOWN -----
The_miko: shows Six of Hearts Six of Clubs (A Straight, Nine high)
HERO: shows Ace of Hearts Queen of Hearts (A Pair of Queens, Ace high)
The_miko collected $127.60 from Main pot

While posting a bunch of lame hands might not seem productive, hopefully I can get closer to understanding what it is that tilts me. I think it has to do with feeling owned. The guy who won the 2 big pots off of me with AA and KK is definitely not a big winner. Paying him off when he takes terrible fishy lines makes me feel like I suck which, in turn, makes me feel like a monkey.
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Post Posted: Mon, 13 Oct 2008, 7:11pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Man, those are some weird lines.

I'd guess it tilts you because you pride yourself on playing well postflop, which means reading hands well, and when people take spastic unreadable lines you lose that edge.

Some of those hands are a bit lol though.
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Post Posted: Mon, 13 Oct 2008, 7:50pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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just played another 400 hands and got set-over-setted 3 times for stacks, twice in 3 bet pots

blahblahblahblahblah fuck variance fuck it fuck it
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it s a broken record... but man is it ever important to detach myself from results

what I find so hard is this : staying connected to and worried about results is the easiest way for me to avoid making spewy and fancy plays and warring with regs. instead, when I'm "worried" about my results, I lower my variance out of fear of posting a big loss.

The obvious problem with this is handling brutal beats and coolers. It's hard to be attached to results as a buffer against fancy play and spewing without the irrational emotional reaction to suckouts and coolers.

How can I be more even-keeled and straightforward without tilting the minute variance bites me in the ass?

That, my friends, is the question.
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Post Posted: Tue, 14 Oct 2008, 4:13am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Man I (and just about everyone else probably) wish there was an easy answer to that question.

I've had some luck working on that side of things recently, but who knows if what helped me will help you. Like you I probably follow my results a bit too closely. I'm getting better at not tracking my results too closely during sessions (I used to refresh HEM session results every 5-10 mins). Mainly I just sat down one day and really considered what poker could mean to me. What it would mean to get the kinds of monthly results I should be capable of getting? Then I really thought about how the sessions where I tilted or spewed were affecting that. It was literally handicapping me. I even took a screenshot of my monthly graph and edited it to remove my spewy sessions to see what it would have looked like if I hadnt played those ones (not results oriented, just the 3-4 sessions where I really spewed), and it was amazing the difference it made (and what my BR would have been otherwise). So for me a real focus on the downside of those bad sessions to my overall results, and how much better my progress would be if I could remove them helped me focus a lot. It comes to mind now when the tilt starts creeping in. I'm even finding I can reverse it and get back to playing well now, where I never could before, but even at worst I'm now good at quitting when I should because I'm aware of the risks of playing on when I'm not right.
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ya that s def solid advice (keeping the "longview" in mind)

I m good at quitting, but the greater concern is - what you seem to be getting good at - avoiding the path that leads to quitting out of frustration/fear in the 1st place.

This is all obvious shit, but I think the path to equanimity or peace of levelheadedness is different for everybody. Just when I think I'm getting over the hump, things pop up that make me realize just how far I have to go.

Much of it probably has to do with the state of mind I'm in outside of poker. It's a constant and interesting challenge.
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Genitruc wrote:
ya that s def solid advice (keeping the "longview" in mind)....
Just when I think I'm getting over the hump, things pop up that make me realize just how far I have to go.


FWIW...

I'm just beginning to learn the game so can't say much about it. It certainly helps keep me level to know that even accomplished players find the psychological and emotional battles associated with the game challenging and, to an extent, insurmountable.

As for your personal journey.. I know very few individuals of such aptitude, intellect and inspiring disposition. So if there's anyone I know that can excel - not just at a game of cards but at anything he chooses - it's you.

Now if you could just show me how... Wink
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thx for the kind words al

when I start my luckboxpoker.com training site, maybe I'll use that quote on my main page?! Wink
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just a little ramble - sometimes it helps me to spit things out here. actually fuck the "little" part. this ll probably be long.

The anonymity of this blog affords an unusual and valuable opportunity to create a virtual alias. While this may seem inconsequential, I feel like it's essential in making myself believe in my online persona.

I was never much of a computer nerd but I know quite a few and the online poker experience for me has been similar to what I've seen some people go through with characters in online RPG's. The imagined persona of a character acquired through battles with other level 47 Felar Assasins isn't all that different from the special dynamics acquired through nitty or spewy history between myself and other regs. It changes things dramatically and it's what makes playing regs interesting and stimulating and challenging.

Believing in my poker alias means assuming a kind of imaginative ownership over the virtual life of my poker screenname. Without this I'd feel empty everytime I popped open the tables. Obviously if there were no financial incentive, I wouldn't be constantly searching for new ways to motivate myself to play more hands.

Most people might just be inspired by the idea of making tons of money. I am a strange and creative person. The idea of creating and maintaining some kind of imagined online legacy (like rolling some awesome Duergar Warrior) gets me a whole lot more excited that the idea of making 400$/hr. So I have to accept this and exploit it and tap into it. When I'm really playing my best, I take responsibility for every play I make, almost in an ethical sense. The good plays - both creative and disciplined - make me feel like I'm living well. The spews and stationy calls make me feel like a douche. For someone relatively uninterested in money, it's important that there be some emotional value - even if it's completely imagined - in the activity I'm choosing to spend my time pursuing.

I've been thinking of paying relatively big bucks to hire a poker coach. This is kind of tangential to the above blahblah because it relates to ownership and pride for my game.

Throughout my life, when working really hard to get good at something, I've always had a mentor, sometimes several. Some were decent, others were awesome, a couple were meh. Regardless, they all elicited a strong desire in me to show them I could improve. I have a natural desire to see myself progress, but I get a huge kick out of taking the advice and guidance of others, assimilating it and churning out improved results.

Much of this is due to a basically pleasing, suck-up nature. There's part of it, on the other hand, that is simply a product of my love for camaraderie and a team or group mentality. Right now, when I evolve as a poker player and achieve good results, I feel happy for myself. In other activities, I've always felt the double satisfaction of getting better for myself and reflecting well on my mentor/coach/team.

As I write this I realize that paying lots of money for an overpriced coach who's probably not much better at poker than I am might seem crazy. But I know myself well enough to know that regular sessions and someone eagerly looking for me to post good results, move up and crush the games would be a huge motivation and make my success all that much more satisfying.

As a sidenote, the coaching that I've done has been hugely satisfying. I'm working with a lowstakes grinder right now who's been sweating me quite a bit (maybe 5 hrs or so per week). I get much more pleasure out of my sessions when I'm explaining things to him as we go along. Maybe the same will be true when the roles are reversed.

I'd really appreciate any advice or comments from people who've either given or received serious coaching in the past.
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Good post man,

I've never gotten any coaching, so I probably can't be too great input on that. But I've definitely thought about it and am pretty sure that someone else watching your game can be a god way to find certain leaks that you wouldn't even consider.

That's pretty interesting about your whole "poker legacy" thing that you wanna create. I kind of always associated the legacy and the earnings side by side. The more you earn.... the greater chance of you creating your legacy!
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last night I played for about 5 hours, just 4 juicy late night tables, mixing in plo and NL

Within the 1st hour I was down no less than 8 full stacks at plo.

Then my QQ lost AI pre to JJ 800$ deep at NL 2-5.

Then something strange happened. Or rather, didn't happen.

It's hard to say how much of it was the result of mental work I've been doing lately, but I just felt no tilt. None. I wasn't eager to win it back, wasn't looking to outplay the douches who had sucked out on me.

Instead, I just kept thinking about gameflow, equity and position.

I won it back at NL and then left a PLO table with - wait for it - 1100bb's. This is not a joke or an exaggeration. Too bad I don't track my PLO play. But I feel like I improved at PLO more in 1 session than I have in all of my previous sessions and study.

Don't want to celebrate too much. No doubt tilt will creep back in at just the wrong time and tempt me to get spewy and impatient and emotional.

But, for at least one night, I felt invincible to tilt and just kept dispassionately looking for the edge and exploiting it.
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sick. nice comeback. quite a transformation from your usual raging monkey tilt. Wink
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but monkey tilt makes for so much for fun when someone's railing you
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but monkey tilt makes for so much for fun when someone's railing you


i concur
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Just played a late-night session at some AWESOME tables.

I'm not sure the word is tilted. I guess I'm just flabbergasted. Variance is a bitch, yadayadayada...

I made exactly 2 high variance plays this entire session.

Two.

Not one, not 3, not 14.

Two.

Here's high variance play #1 :

I misclicked preflop and hit the “fold to any bet” button so I insta-checked the flop to him. I think the shove is fine since his calling range has to be super tight and includes lots of draws that don’t have a pair yet. It’s a little spewy but puts him in a gross spot with less than AK.

Table "Heartsdefender" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 2: luckydonk ($896.80 in chips)
Seat 4: Ruste2508 ($485.71 in chips)
Seat 5: HERO ($1096.65 in chips)
Seat 6: The_moron ($1096 in chips)
HERO: posts small blind $2
The_moron: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO Nine of Diamonds Nine of Spades
luckydonk: folds
Ruste2508: folds
HERO: raises to $20
The_moron: raises to $55
HERO: raises to $181
The_moron: calls $126
----- FLOP ----- Three of Hearts King of Spades Ten of Spades
HERO: checks
The_moron: bets $200
HERO: raises to $915.65 and is all-in
The_moron: is all-in $715
Returned uncalled bets $0.65 to HERO
----- TURN ----- Three of Hearts King of Spades Five of Spades Ace of Hearts
----- RIVER ----- Three of Hearts King of Spades Five of Spades Ace of Hearts Ace of Spades
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows Nine of Diamonds Nine of Spades (Two Pairs, Aces and Nines, King high)
The_moron: shows Ten of Clubs Ten of Diamonds (A Full House, Tens full of Aces)
The_moron collected $2190 from Main pot

In the next hand, villain had been peeling flop raises UBER light OOP (think bottom pair + gutter). I felt like there was a decent chance he’d call me for a normal bet a good % of the time on the river since he’s a pretty laggy stationy type so I shoved since I can have a flush and he pretty much can't ever.

A few hands before I had raised flop and 2 barelled turn then called his river shove after hitting BD flush and got coolered by his higher BD flush on another table.

Needless to say, my head exploded a bit when I saw his hand. The most soul-crushing part was I was 100% sure he was folding. He called with less than a second left in his timebank.

Game #8185273584: Hold'em NL (£2/£5) - 2008/10/30 - 06:38:23 (UK)
Table "RiohachaGuajira" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: HERO (£1071.20 in chips)
Seat 2: farmer-g (£1248.02 in chips)
Seat 3: Dukatos (£602 in chips)
Seat 4: MF199 (£147 in chips)
Seat 5: Tuana0907 (£908.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Loser18 (£1283.15 in chips)
farmer-g: posts small blind £2
Dukatos: posts big blind £5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO Five of Hearts Three of Hearts
MF199: folds
Tuana0907: folds
Loser18: raises to £20
HERO: calls £20
farmer-g: folds
Dukatos: folds
----- FLOP ----- Jack of Clubs Queen of Spades King of Spades
Loser18: bets £34
HERO: raises to £92
Loser18: calls £58
----- TURN ----- Jack of Clubs Queen of Spades King of Spades Seven of Hearts
Loser18: checks
HERO: bets £135
Loser18: calls £135
----- RIVER ----- Jack of Clubs Queen of Spades King of Spades Seven of Hearts Six of Spades
Loser18: checks
HERO: bets £824.20 and is all-in
Loser18: calls £824.20
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows Five of Hearts Three of Hearts (High Card King)
Loser18: shows Queen of Hearts Queen of Clubs (Three of a kind, Queens, King high)
Loser18 collected £2146.40 from Main pot

Sucks that this was the biggest pot I’ve ever played. Also sucks that I played awesome the entire session at awesome tables and made 2 moves that crushed me, both 200+ bb's deep.
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it s funny there s part of me that wants to cry and another part that feels completely unaffected and is kind of chuckling

god I guess this means Loser will never ever fold to me again?
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I guess I'm more pissed than I've admitted to myself about these two pots since I keep coming back to this thread.

If I look at my lifetime moving up, down and around various limits, one trend is constant :

all of the biggest pots I've contested (400bb's +) have involved giant bluffs that have been called. I have never, in all of my hands played (maybe 450k or so?) won a pot over 450bb's and I've twice gotten sucked out for 500bb pots, once when I was a 96.3% favourite.

Weird. I guess this is a kind of running bad on the swingy massive pots. At the same time, if I had avoided getting myself into spots where I was spewing away 250bb's, maybe

I'd be playing 10-20 and 25-50 right now instead of 2-5 and 5-10?

Food for thought I guess.
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Genitruc wrote:

Weird. I guess this is a kind of running bad on the swingy massive pots. At the same time, if I had avoided getting myself into spots where I was spewing away 250bb's, maybe I'd be playing 10-20 and 25-50 right now instead of 2-5 and 5-10?

Food for thought I guess.


This is exactly exactly how i feel about my poker year right now. Glad to see (or I guess I'm not really glad to see cause it sucks) that I'm not the only one that feels like this.

Hope things turn around man! I'm starting to think that its almost bet to just cut out these massive bluffs really... I'm not even sure ppl adjust enough to call down that light and instead just call down when they have it.
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srsly though how the fk does loser have QQQ in that last hand

in the 1st hand, whatever, he flopped a set in a 4 bet pot 200bb s for him when there was exactly 1 set he could ve flopped on that board. gg
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for some reason I just untilted from the hand where Loser called me with QQQ. His range is weak and can't take much heat. I like my bet.

The 99 hand isn't nearly as good, although there's already a buyin in the middle and I've repped a hand that can't take heat (JJ-QQ) so it's far from terrible vs a thinking reg.

Yay poker is fun
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Genitruc wrote:
I have never, in all of my hands played (maybe 450k or so?) won a pot over 450bb's and I've twice gotten sucked out for 500bb pots, once when I was a 96.3% favourite.


Variance is all well and good, but I'm yet to hear anyone explain why when villains win a 2 outer its for a 200bb+ pot, and when I win a 2 outer its for a 50bb- pot.
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hmmm i just finished a long intense session and it looks like I dropped 2k

maybe that s a bad sign? I'll post some hands
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haha god i was surprised i lost so much... Guess this is why :



Seat 1: redmundir ($883.25 in chips)
Seat 2: HERO ($747.15 in chips)
Seat 3: Ierokama ($218.85 in chips)
Seat 4: bluecheek ($508.40 in chips)
Seat 5: Loser18 ($1032 in chips)
redmundir: posts small blind $2
HERO: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO [8d Jd]
Ierokama: folds
bluecheek: raises to $15
Loser18: calls $15
redmundir: folds
HERO: calls $10
----- FLOP ----- [6h 2s 8h]
HERO: bets $31
bluecheek: folds
Loser18: raises to $109
HERO: raises to $732.15 and is all-in
Loser18: calls $623.15
----- TURN ----- [6h 2s 8h][Ah]
----- RIVER ----- [6h 2s 8h Ah][Th]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows [8d Jd] (A Pair of Eights, Ace high)
Loser18: shows [6d 6c] (Three of a kind, Sixes, Ace high)
Loser18 collected $1508.30 from Main pot

Table "Heartsdefender" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: Loser18 ($573 in chips)
Seat 2: redmundir sits out
Seat 3: ShootEmUp ($537 in chips)
Seat 4: Mefatbird ($121 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO ($758.25 in chips)
ShootEmUp: posts small blind $2
Mefatbird: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO [Ks Kc]
HERO: raises to $13
Loser18: raises to $55
ShootEmUp: folds
Mefatbird: folds
HERO: calls $42
----- FLOP ----- [Qc Qh 6s]
HERO: checks
Loser18: bets $91
HERO: raises to $703.25 and is all-in
Loser18: is all-in $427
Returned uncalled bets $185.25 to HERO
----- TURN ----- [Qc Qh 6s][5h]
----- RIVER ----- [Qc Qh 6s 5h][Js]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows [Ks Kc] (Two Pairs, Kings and Queens, Jack high)
Loser18: shows [Qd As] (Three of a kind, Queens, Ace high)
Loser18 collected $1151 from Main pot

Table "Heartsdefender" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: Loser18 ($573 in chips)
Seat 2: redmundir sits out
Seat 3: ShootEmUp ($537 in chips)
Seat 4: Mefatbird ($121 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO ($758.25 in chips)
ShootEmUp: posts small blind $2
Mefatbird: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO [Ks Kc]
HERO: raises to $13
Loser18: raises to $55
ShootEmUp: folds
Mefatbird: folds
HERO: calls $42
----- FLOP ----- [Qc Qh 6s]
HERO: checks
Loser18: bets $91
HERO: raises to $703.25 and is all-in
Loser18: is all-in $427
Returned uncalled bets $185.25 to HERO
----- TURN ----- [Qc Qh 6s][5h]
----- RIVER ----- [Qc Qh 6s 5h][Js]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows [Ks Kc] (Two Pairs, Kings and Queens, Jack high)
Loser18: shows [Qd As] (Three of a kind, Queens, Ace high)
Loser18 collected $1151 from Main pot

Table "Keizan" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 2: HERO ($525.05 in chips)
Seat 4: redmundir ($398.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Loser18 ($1590 in chips)
redmundir: posts small blind $2
Loser18: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO [Kh Ks]
HERO: raises to $17
redmundir: folds
Loser18: calls $12
----- FLOP ----- [Tc 8s 3d]
Loser18: checks
HERO: bets $31
Loser18: calls $31
----- TURN ----- [Tc 8s 3d][5h]
Loser18: checks
HERO: bets $81
Loser18: calls $81
----- RIVER ----- [Tc 8s 3d 5h][Td]
Loser18: checks
HERO: bets $396.05 and is all-in
Loser18: calls $396.05
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows [Kh Ks] (Two Pairs, Kings and Tens, Eight high)
Loser18: shows [7h Th] (Three of a kind, Tens, Eight high)
Loser18 collected $1050.10 from Main pot

Table "Chaucer" Seat 3 is the button.
Seat 1: redmundir ($463.55 in chips)
Seat 2: HERO ($1017.90 in chips)
Seat 3: berjobull ($191.40 in chips)
Seat 4: bluecheek ($495 in chips)
Seat 5: Loser18 ($594 in chips)
bluecheek: posts small blind $2
Loser18: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO [Ad Kh]
redmundir: raises to $20
HERO: raises to $71
berjobull: folds
bluecheek: folds
Loser18: folds
redmundir: raises to $463.55 and is all-in
HERO: calls $392.55
----- FLOP ----- [6c 5h Jd]
----- TURN ----- [6c 5h Jd][Ts]
----- RIVER ----- [6c 5h Jd Ts][3h]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
redmundir: shows [9c 9h] (A Pair of Nines, Jack high)
HERO: shows [Ad Kh] (High Card Ace)
redmundir collected $931.10 from Main pot

Table "Keizan" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 2: HERO ($511 in chips)
Seat 4: redmundir ($397.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Loser18 ($2101.05 in chips)
redmundir: posts small blind $2
Loser18: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO [Kc Qs]
CLS350 joins the table at seat #1
HERO: raises to $16
redmundir: raises to $65
Loser18: folds
HERO: calls $49
----- FLOP ----- [Qd Th 9c]
redmundir: bets $115
HERO: raises to $446 and is all-in
redmundir: is all-in $217.50
Returned uncalled bets $113.50 to HERO
----- TURN ----- [Qd Th 9c][7h]
----- RIVER ----- [Qd Th 9c 7h][Jh]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows [Kc Qs] (A Straight, King high)
redmundir: shows [Kd Ah] (A Straight, Ace high)
redmundir collected $798 from Main pot


Guess that's how you feel like you played decent and end up losing 2k. Funny that I can't wait to play 2morrow.

Also, Alex and Griffey get back to me on the prop bet imo.
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Just checked out those hands, and I don't know, I just feel like in general some of them are just overplayed. Though I know thats probably moreso to do with your style and your history with like Loser and stuff.

The first hand, top pair 8 hand is just kinda whatever. You're at best flipping with his calling range there and I think he probably doesn't even fold 8x, and all 8x beat you and dominate you.

The KK hand, I think if someone is 3-betting your UTG open from UTG+1 that you can safely just 4-bet there and expect they will get it in. I'd be more likely to slow play from like CO vs button or something like that.

The KK on TxxxT board. I really think Tx is his most likely holding by far, follow by other midpairs. I think your bet on the river, and the sizing is just polarizing his calling range to hands that beat you (Tx) and folding out the others. But you'd know this better, since this is an image/history spot if anything.

others are fine obviously! Man you play such a high variance style, I couldn't deal Smile
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Ok book the propbet for 500$. 15k hands min at 2/5+ running at 7ptbb+.
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oh and just saw you and dylan's halloween costumes.. ahaha.. aweeeeeesome!
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haha last night was epic imo

Grif in the 1st hand it was effectively Co vs Btn and he seems to fold everytime I 4 bet him since he rr's trash so often in LP wars

Ok Alex book it

just make sure you don't bust and still have 500$ in you account to pay me at the end of the month
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just deleted the records for every hand of poker I ever played while installing HEM

not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing
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I've been playing awesome so far in November and getting absolutely destroyed.

I have never gone this long without winning a flip in a rr pot.

I'm not tilted, just kind of bored waiting for variance to turn around.
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Genitruc wrote:
I've been playing awesome so far in November and getting absolutely destroyed.

I have never gone this long without winning a flip in a rr pot.

I'm not tilted, just kind of bored waiting for variance to turn around.


Genitruc and Griffey's variance turns......

nowwwwwww

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edit : if I keep running bad it s obv your fault now
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if anybody who reads this thread is interested in going to UFC 91 Lesnar vs Couture, PM me. I have 4 extra tickets that I am willing to sell for cheaper than you'll find anywhere else.
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if anybody who reads this thread is interested in going to UFC 91 Lesnar vs Couture, PM me. I have 4 extra tickets that I am willing to sell for cheaper than you'll find anywhere else.


Where is this going down?
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griffey24 wrote:
Genitruc wrote:
if anybody who reads this thread is interested in going to UFC 91 Lesnar vs Couture, PM me. I have 4 extra tickets that I am willing to sell for cheaper than you'll find anywhere else.


Where is this going down?


I'm guessin not Toronto...

Vegas?
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vegas baby


so you're missing it for CPC right?

Mannnnn I so wanna go.. this masters is a pain in the ass. Can't wait for next year, I'm all over vegas/cpc!
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So I take it you're not gonna take the discount to go with Rav (leave Friday and get back late Sunday/early Monday)
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So I take it you're not gonna take the discount to go with Rav (leave Friday and get back late Sunday/early Monday)


naah wish I could.. would be sweet!

If I was gonna take any time off I"d prob go to CPC and play alex at live poker.. that would pay for the trip in itself.. after a couple hours!
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griffey24 wrote:
If I was gonna take any time off I"d prob go to CPC and play alex at live poker.. that would pay for the trip in itself.. after a couple HANDZ
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Have an awesome time at CPC dude!
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Hey rilla

WANNA TEAM UP?

MAKE THE MANIEZ?

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