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Posted: Wed, 16 Jul 2008, 3:55pm Post subject: Go back to play money, fuckwads! |
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Straight
Joined: 04 Apr 2005
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WPP: 676
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PokerStars Game #18870687731: Tournament #96057490, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/07/16 - 18:53:23 (ET)
Table '96057490 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: setcool (1550 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: TigerWoodsTW (1100 in chips)
Seat 3: artman (1880 in chips)
Seat 5: WacoWhacko (3170 in chips)
Seat 6: SirFlopAlot7 (2340 in chips)
Seat 8: jj_frap (2480 in chips)
Seat 9: rickshaw159 (980 in chips)
SirFlopAlot7: posts small blind 25
jj_frap: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jj_frap [4s 4h]
rickshaw159: folds
setcool: folds
TigerWoodsTW: folds
artman: folds
WacoWhacko: raises 100 to 150
SirFlopAlot7: calls 125
jj_frap: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [4c 3h Kc]
SirFlopAlot7: checks
jj_frap: checks
WacoWhacko: bets 550
SirFlopAlot7: calls 550
jj_frap: raises 1780 to 2330 and is all-in
WacoWhacko: calls 1780
SirFlopAlot7: calls 1640 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [4c 3h Kc] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [4c 3h Kc Ts] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jj_frap: shows [4s 4h] (three of a kind, Fours)
WacoWhacko: shows [9h Kh] (a pair of Kings)
jj_frap collected 280 from side pot
SirFlopAlot7: shows [7c Tc] (a flush, King high)
SirFlopAlot7 collected 7020 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7300 Main pot 7020. Side pot 280. | Rake 0
Board [4c 3h Kc Ts 6c]
Seat 1: setcool folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: TigerWoodsTW folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: artman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: WacoWhacko (button) showed [9h Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: SirFlopAlot7 (small blind) showed [7c Tc] and won (7020) with a flush, King high
Seat 8: jj_frap (big blind) showed [4s 4h] and won (280) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 9: rickshaw159 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
It's not the worst beat in the world by any stretch of the imagination, but losing to this shear and utter donkcraft at the $6.50 level is sickening. |
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Posted: Wed, 16 Jul 2008, 4:13pm Post subject: |
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Full House
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You speak as if the $6.50 level is some sort of bastion of great play  |
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Posted: Wed, 16 Jul 2008, 4:31pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
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| jesus he didn't play that badly i see worse at 100nl every day |
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Posted: Wed, 16 Jul 2008, 4:57pm Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 04 Apr 2005
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WPP: 676
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| d0zer wrote: | | You speak as if the $6.50 level is some sort of bastion of great play |
It's not, but that this bordered on play money bad. I think my check-raise all-in against two big bets is a pretty big hint that their draws and weak pairs don't cut it. |
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Posted: Wed, 16 Jul 2008, 5:16pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 16 Jan 2007
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Location: recidivist lurker in an underground shelter awaiting the exaflood
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| so, you wanted them to call you with three kings, and then you still would have whined about how bad you run, eh? |
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Posted: Wed, 16 Jul 2008, 7:15pm Post subject: |
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OLD MAN RIVER
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Posted: Thu, 17 Jul 2008, 1:18am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Bad Beaten wrote: | | d0zer wrote: | | You speak as if the $6.50 level is some sort of bastion of great play |
It's not, but that this bordered on play money bad. I think my check-raise all-in against two big bets is a pretty big hint that their draws and weak pairs don't cut it. |
So wait would you be folding the flush draw in that situation getting roughly one million : one odds? |
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Posted: Thu, 17 Jul 2008, 7:02am Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 199
WPP: 216
Location: Sportsbook $5.50 & $11 S&G's
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| badgers wrote: | | So wait would you be folding the flush draw in that situation getting roughly one million : one odds? |
Exactly. You see 2 big bets out in front and you still chose to push it. I would have shoved as well but you had to figure at least one of them was on a flush draw. And it shouldn't be a surprise that you lost, a bummer but not a surprise. You got your money in good, thats +EV. But after those bets you couldn't seriously think either of them was folding because of your big shove. Pot odds gave them no choice really.
Quit whining. |
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Posted: Thu, 17 Jul 2008, 11:14am Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 04 Jan 2008
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Location: Sportsbook $5.50 & $11 S&G's
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| Bad Beaten wrote: | | It's not, but that this bordered on play money bad. I think my check-raise all-in against two big bets is a pretty big hint that their draws and weak pairs don't cut it. |
Oh, and their draw DID cut it. LOL |
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Posted: Thu, 17 Jul 2008, 3:32pm Post subject: |
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Flush
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Posted: Thu, 17 Jul 2008, 3:55pm Post subject: |
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Straight
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| In tournament poker you really want to put your whole stack on a 33% flush draw that early? When has this become so? |
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Posted: Thu, 17 Jul 2008, 4:21pm Post subject: |
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Straight
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Aww crap...
PokerStars Game #18895900161: Tournament #96267595, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2008/07/17 - 19:09:14 (ET)
Table '96267595 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: alex300 (2065 in chips)
Seat 2: karlosss (5780 in chips)
Seat 3: jj_frap (6095 in chips)
Seat 4: intien (2150 in chips)
Seat 6: azn_pnoi (4455 in chips)
Seat 7: NaitsirhC8 (5090 in chips)
Seat 9: BILLSPARX (1365 in chips)
alex300: posts the ante 25
karlosss: posts the ante 25
jj_frap: posts the ante 25
intien: posts the ante 25
azn_pnoi: posts the ante 25
NaitsirhC8: posts the ante 25
BILLSPARX: posts the ante 25
BILLSPARX: posts small blind 100
alex300: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jj_frap [Ad Ah]
karlosss: calls 200
jj_frap: raises 400 to 600
intien: folds
azn_pnoi: folds
NaitsirhC8: folds
BILLSPARX: folds
alex300: folds
karlosss: raises 400 to 1000
jj_frap: raises 5070 to 6070 and is all-in
karlosss: calls 4755 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (315) returned to jj_frap
*** FLOP *** [Tc 9h 5s]
*** TURN *** [Tc 9h 5s] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 9h 5s Jc] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
karlosss: shows [Qc Qh] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
jj_frap: shows [Ad Ah] (a pair of Aces)
karlosss collected 11985 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11985 | Rake 0
Board [Tc 9h 5s Jc 8c]
Seat 1: alex300 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: karlosss showed [Qc Qh] and won (11985) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 3: jj_frap showed [Ad Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: intien folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: azn_pnoi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: NaitsirhC8 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: BILLSPARX (small blind) folded before Flop |
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Posted: Thu, 17 Jul 2008, 4:32pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
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| Bad Beaten wrote: | | In tournament poker you really want to put your whole stack on a 33% flush draw that early? When has this become so? |
even if he only has 33% equity (i think it's prolly a bit more unless he can read souls and magically knew you had a set) he's getting ~3:1 on his money making this a VERY easy call. If you can't even understand pot odds you should be the one going down to play money no offense...
end rant. |
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Posted: Thu, 17 Jul 2008, 6:00pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 16 Jan 2007
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Location: recidivist lurker in an underground shelter awaiting the exaflood
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| Bad Beaten wrote: | Aww crap...
PokerStars Game #18895900161: Tournament #96267595, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2008/07/17 - 19:09:14 (ET)
Table '96267595 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: alex300 (2065 in chips)
Seat 2: karlosss (5780 in chips)
Seat 3: jj_frap (6095 in chips)
Seat 4: intien (2150 in chips)
Seat 6: azn_pnoi (4455 in chips)
Seat 7: NaitsirhC8 (5090 in chips)
Seat 9: BILLSPARX (1365 in chips)
alex300: posts the ante 25
karlosss: posts the ante 25
jj_frap: posts the ante 25
intien: posts the ante 25
azn_pnoi: posts the ante 25
NaitsirhC8: posts the ante 25
BILLSPARX: posts the ante 25
BILLSPARX: posts small blind 100
alex300: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jj_frap [Ad Ah]
karlosss: calls 200
jj_frap: raises 400 to 600
intien: folds
azn_pnoi: folds
NaitsirhC8: folds
BILLSPARX: folds
alex300: folds
karlosss: raises 400 to 1000
jj_frap: raises 5070 to 6070 and is all-in
karlosss: calls 4755 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (315) returned to jj_frap
*** FLOP *** [Tc 9h 5s]
*** TURN *** [Tc 9h 5s] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 9h 5s Jc] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
karlosss: shows [Qc Qh] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
jj_frap: shows [Ad Ah] (a pair of Aces)
karlosss collected 11985 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11985 | Rake 0
Board [Tc 9h 5s Jc 8c]
Seat 1: alex300 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: karlosss showed [Qc Qh] and won (11985) with a straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 3: jj_frap showed [Ad Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: intien folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: azn_pnoi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: NaitsirhC8 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: BILLSPARX (small blind) folded before Flop |
I'm sorry if I come across as having no sympathy for your beats.
its rather because I have no sympathy at all for your beats. Or anyone else's. We all have them. Its part of the game. Now live with them and STFU.
If winniers would always win, then losers would never play, since they have no chance.
In this specific hand you posted, any 8, any Q, any K and he's winning on that river there, that's 10 outs. Also, the money went in preflop, and preflop pair vs overpair you are roughly 80% to win. Also, you were still roughly 80% to win on the river, given the bazillion outs he had. That's 4 in 5 times that pot will be shipped to you.
This is an example of a proper beat, and all you can do is smile and reload. I post it for illustration (and probably illumination) purposes only.
The hand before this one, I lost about 22K on a preflop allin AKs vs K7s. Bad play on my part if I wanted to make the FT, but I was playing to win. This one, at least villain tanked before calling. Final table bubble is still on by the way:
PokerStars (Tournament): $4 + $0.40, 6 players
Thu Jul 17 03:07:44 VET 2008
B3 ($46,867)
B2 ($14,400)
B1 ($27,233)
BN ($32,039)
SB ($29,249)
Hero ($8,227)
BN is the button.
Precards:
Everyone antes $100, SB posts the small blind $500, Hero posts the big blind $1,000.
Preflop: Hero is dealt   (6 active)
B3 calls $1,000, 3 folds, SB calls $500, Hero checks.
Flop:    ($3,600, 3 active)
SB bets $1,000, Hero calls $1,000, B3 calls $1,000.
Turn:  ($6,600, 3 active)
SB bets $1,000, Hero raises to $6,127 (all-in), B3 folds, SB calls $5,127.
River:  ($18,854, 2 players)
Final Pot: $18,854
Hero, net: -$8,227, Lost at showdown, has K 3 (Two Pair, Kings and Queens)
SB, net: $10,627, Won at showdown, has 6 Q (Three of a Kind, Queens)
B3, net: -$2,100, Folded Turn
BN, net: -$100, Folded Preflop
B1, net: -$100, Folded Preflop
B2, net: -$100, Folded Preflop |
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Posted: Thu, 17 Jul 2008, 6:23pm Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 04 Jan 2008
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WPP: 216
Location: Sportsbook $5.50 & $11 S&G's
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| Bad Beaten wrote: | | In tournament poker you really want to put your whole stack on a 33% flush draw that early? When has this become so? |
I wouldn't want it that way but there are LOADS of people that will call with worse, and suck out with worse. If you can't handle that I would give the whole game up because you will be putting a gun in your mouth within a month. LOL |
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Posted: Wed, 23 Jul 2008, 2:50am Post subject: |
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High Card
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| you should prolly get some ice for that. |
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