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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 7:47pm Post subject: Fight Online Gambling Prohibition TODAY
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Two Pair

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From Poker player allaince.
The U.S. Congress is Trying to Ban
Online Poker TODAY!!!
THIS IS NOT A TEST - Call Your Senator Now!
U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is attaching the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act to a bill that is expected to be approved by the Congress early this evening. PLEASE call your Senators today and tell them that they should oppose the Internet gambling bill being part of Port Security legislation.
If the Port Security bill passes, with the Internet gambling language included, your ability to enjoy poker online will be at serious risk.
Each member of the Poker Players Alliance has two Senators which are listed below (or click here). They need to hear from you RIGHT NOW! Let them know that you care about your rights to play poker.
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Friday has been quite a roller coaster for all of us following the internet gambling legislation/language.
Senate Majority Leader Frist and House Speaker Hastert continue to attempt to attach extraneous matters to bills moving through both chambers. This includes some form of Internet gambling language.
It appears for the moment that the only viable major vehicle for this language be attached to is the legislation dealing with port security. The remainder of the large bills that will be considered before breaking for the elections have been finalized or passed (DoD Approps, DoD Authorization, DHS Approps, etc.)
As of Friday evening, reports indicate that Internet gambling language has been inserted into the port security legislation conference report.
Both chambers are still slated to end work late Friday or Saturday before they head back for the elections. It is unclear at this point exactly when they will gavel things closed until mid-November. Remember that they will be back after the elections for a lame-duck session.
What can you do at this point? Please feel free to continue to call the chief authors of the port security legislation and hope they can be convinced to not add extraneous matters to this important bill. In addition, you should call your own Senators and Representative to reinforce this message.
Try to remain respectful and not abuse the people who answer the phones. They are much more likely to pass along the message if you keep the tone polite.
Senator Ted Stevens (R-AK) (202) 224-3004
Senator Daniel Inouye (D-HI) (202) 224-3934
Senator Susan Collins (R-ME) (202) 224-2523
Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) (202) 224-4041
Rep. Peter King (R-NY) 202-225-7896
Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) 202-225-5876
Senate Homeland Security Committee
Majority: 202-224-4751
Minority: 202-224-2627
Senate Commerce Committee
Majority: 202-224-5115
Minority: 202-224-0411
House Homeland Security Committee
Majority: (202) 226-8417
Minority: (202) 226-2616
House Office of the Speaker: 202-225-0600
House Office of the Majority Leader: 202-225-4000
Senate Office of the Majority Leader: 202-225-135
If anyone wishes to watch either the House or Senate floors, you can view it on C-Span (House) or C-Span 2 (Senate).
C-Span Website
Please Call!!! Tell your Senators to oppose attaching Internet gambling to Port Security!
Click Here for your Senator's phone number. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 8:00pm Post subject:
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Season I

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| Quote: | | Ted Stevens (R-AK) |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 8:16pm Post subject:
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Full House

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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 8:19pm Post subject:
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Two Pair

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Something I found on cardplayer.com
Right now Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is working to attach the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act to a Port Defense Bill that will be voted on sometime this evening.
“There’s a high degree of concern on our behalf that Senator Frist is going to be able to push this through,” said Michael Bolcerek, president of the Poker Players Alliance. “We’re outraged. This is political gamesmanship.”
Later tonight, the rules committee will decide if the Prohibition Act will be added to a bill dealing with port defense. It won’t be added if it’s deemed too controversial, something the PPA believe is the case.
If the rules committee doesn’t think it’s too controversial, it will be added and the Port Security Bill will be voted on sometime around midnight. It will be the last vote of the evening.
The PPA is encouraging its members and poker lovers to get in touch with their lawmakers this evening. A list of every Senator’s number can be found at the PPA’s webpage http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org/. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 8:25pm Post subject:
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The Greatest American Hero

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| {Retitled and moved to Community for better exposure} |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 8:26pm Post subject:
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11 OF DIAMONDS

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| I called both my senators. Both unavailable and left messages. Man, this is so uncool. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 8:27pm Post subject:
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11 OF DIAMONDS

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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 9:17pm Post subject:
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Full House

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| looks like the house is working on the port security bill right now, thats what internet gaming is attached to. the senate looks like its going to pass it with a voice vote around midnight. watching cspan & cspan 2 right now. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 9:30pm Post subject:
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Flush

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| I hate modern American politics sooooo much |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 9:53pm Post subject:
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Full House

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| the house is voting on it right now |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 9:58pm Post subject:
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Full House

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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:03pm Post subject:
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:12pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS

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| wow this changes my future in a not so positive way |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:16pm Post subject:
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Flush

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the Senate still has to pass it, but I cant see them not.
Our political system is garbage. People vote for people they have never even heard of, about issues that don't even concern them.
If someone is anti-gay, anti-drugs, and anti-gambling they will easily get elected by people who arn't gay, have never done drugs, and don't gamble.
fuckers. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:17pm Post subject:
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Full House

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this vote was almost exactly on party lines.. i thought it would be almost unanimous.. it barely passed the house, perhaps the senate can fillibuster it or put up more of a fight?
the bill is 244 pages long, ~30+ pages are devoted to the internet gambling. it is much stronger than any other version previously discussed.. it talks about blocking ISP, Credit Cards, along with EFT (electronic fund transfers).
Even if i wasnt for internet gambling, the section on being able to block certain websites seems likes communist china to me.
In skimming the bill, it looks like it will be put in to effect within 270 days of passage.. of course remember
this has just passed the house, it needs to go through the senate. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:20pm Post subject:
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Flush

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My concern is that the only person who mentioned gambling VOTED YES.
I don't think the demmys care about it, I think this is purely partisan BS. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:22pm Post subject:
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High Card

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| how about you're cocksucker republican dictators now. fuck em all we deserve to be terror bombed. talk about land of the "free", laughable. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:26pm Post subject:
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Flush

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It isnt just the republicans.
America suffers from deeper issues mostly stemming from the voters inability to educate themselves.
Democrats do shit like this too. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:31pm Post subject:
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Full House

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| welp im gonna vote democrat |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:33pm Post subject:
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Flush

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| Democrat is surely better on these issues, I only meant that both parties use these tactics to pass things that the other party opposes. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:33pm Post subject:
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High Card

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Fuck the republocrats, too.
I'm just ashamed of being American right now. Taking away right of adults in a free country is idiotic. I could sign up for the military tommorrow and be off to kill some other sorry poopyhead at the bottom of the food chain from another country, but i can't spend somes money i earned on something i enjoy or smoke a little weed in the privacy of my own home, jesus christ what a scam.
i pray for Armageddon because of shit like this. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:38pm Post subject:
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I don't think we should all be this outraged.
The governments ability to ban phsyical gambling allows this to happen. I for one cannot say the government has the right to ban one without the other. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:40pm Post subject:
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Full House

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The senate is talking about it right now on cspan2.
This bill is concerning because it is regulating/blocking internet transactions. International ones, at that. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:43pm Post subject:
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Flush

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| According to random people on 2+2 this bill will not mesh with WTO policies reguarding international trade.... hope they are right |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:43pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush

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i just phoned buckingham palace and downing street (no joke) and left messages on their public answerphone.
Obviously totally useless, but you never know  |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:50pm Post subject:
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High Card

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they shouldnt ban any of it, none. i think people should be allowed to pursue whatever they want with their short time on this planet. the hypocracy of government funded lotteries with some much -EV it's not even funny makes this even worse. i think people should become outraged when things like this happen as it's a slow slide toward more of the group controlling the individual.
looking back through history all, every single one, of the powerful empires have crumbled and i'm just waiting for the US to follow suit. i hate all forms of government that tell me what i can or cannot do just because i happened to be born on a certain patch of dirt on the earth. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:52pm Post subject:
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| I of course completley agree with you, I was just showing that relying on differences between phsyical and electronic gambling to shoot down these bills is harmful in the long run, we should on the other hand be challenging the government on much larger more fundamental issues. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:54pm Post subject:
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11 OF DIAMONDS

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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:55pm Post subject:
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Full House

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oh boy,
even democrats are talking about sept 11th, there isnt going to be a fight at all on this bill.
we had a better shot at stopping this in the house. so because of sept 11th i wont be able to play holdem online.. the terrorist have won (tongue in check). |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:00pm Post subject:
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Flush

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yay for profitting both financially and idealogically from the death of american civilians!
go politicans! |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:01pm Post subject:
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11 OF DIAMONDS

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| Man this is so not cool... |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:04pm Post subject:
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Full House

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there is some dealing going on right now on the senate floor, lots of quorum calls..
maybe the dems are getting the hint they shouldnt be voting for this.. the house had every dem vote against it. i was surprised to see them talking so positively about it on the senate floor.
now Sen Sessions is talking about immigration.. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:04pm Post subject:
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High Card

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| i know its been going on forever, but doesn't it shock anybody that our "leaders" can attached any kind of sorry ass thing onto the back of another bill without it being properly investigated and debated or even related. I mean what the poop does poker have to do with port security. It just seems like a major loophole that gives these people too much power to push certain agendas. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:05pm Post subject:
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Two Pair

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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:05pm Post subject:
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Flush

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You are right.
But who is going to legislate that? It isn't in the constitution.
Is the congress going to ban themselves from doing something they like to do? |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:19pm Post subject:
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High Card

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| oh, hell no they won't. but just trying to wrap my head around things like this as i try to sleep at night makes me wonder how we became trapped into such a illogical system. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:23pm Post subject:
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Full House

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| oroboros wrote: | | i know its been going on forever, but doesn't it shock anybody that our "leaders" can attached any kind of sorry ass thing onto the back of another bill without it being properly investigated and debated or even related. I mean what the poop does poker have to do with port security. It just seems like a major loophole that gives these people too much power to push certain agendas. |
welcome to america. that is how pork gets passed, gets attached to defense spending bill or budget or something that will pass..
thats also how they zing senators.. "you voted against port security, sen kerry!" see... |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:26pm Post subject:
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Solicitor

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| im watching cspan2 and they just flashed something that the port security bill or w/e passed 80-19... i thought they werent going to vote until midnight? and has the poker ban been attached officially or no? |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:31pm Post subject:
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High Card

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| check out this broke dick poopyhead LEach on CSPAN vomiting up " you just click you're mouse and lose your house" catchphases. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:36pm Post subject:
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Full House

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| bearcats05 wrote: | | im watching cspan2 and they just flashed something that the port security bill or w/e passed 80-19... i thought they werent going to vote until midnight? and has the poker ban been attached officially or no? |
i missed that. my cspan2 didnt have that. i wonder if im running a delay. ugh |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:38pm Post subject:
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High Card

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| it was on regular old CSPAN home of the enlightened dipshits, fuck i'm feeling sick. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:40pm Post subject:
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| TerryToma wrote: | | bearcats05 wrote: | | im watching cspan2 and they just flashed something that the port security bill or w/e passed 80-19... i thought they werent going to vote until midnight? and has the poker ban been attached officially or no? |
i missed that. my cspan2 didnt have that. i wonder if im running a delay. ugh |
i think the 80-19 was the fence vote
H.R. 6061; Secure Fence Act of 2006 |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:44pm Post subject:
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im going to sleep assuming this will pass easily.
Plz let me be suprised. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:44pm Post subject:
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High Card

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don't these fucks look more and more like glorified used car salesmen the more you watch them trying to sell their ideas about how to run the world to each other
how the fuck did we lose on the last hour of the last day of the session to some god damn horseshit bill add-on... bad beat |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:45pm Post subject:
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hmm
looks like the house is still talking about it on cspan 1. i guess the earlier vote was just a procedural vote. |
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Posted: Sat, 30 Sep 2006, 12:05am Post subject:
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Solicitor

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| that last guy was kicking some ass out there. |
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Posted: Sat, 30 Sep 2006, 12:09am Post subject:
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High Card

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| get ready we're fucked now 15 minutes and counting |
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Posted: Sat, 30 Sep 2006, 12:12am Post subject:
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Solicitor

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| 100 to 1 already in favor wtf |
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Posted: Sat, 30 Sep 2006, 12:17am Post subject:
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Full House

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| bearcats05 wrote: | | 100 to 1 already in favor wtf |
yup, we were screwed by the conference.. frist snuck the internet gambling into the port bill.. we're screwed. |
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Posted: Sat, 30 Sep 2006, 12:17am Post subject:
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Solicitor

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| ok so only 1 fucking vote to not pass it. wtf. how the fuck can they fucking put a online gambling law on a fucking port security bill. jesus fucking christ. so what now we cant play poker any fucking more? |
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