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poorfish
Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 7:47pm    Post subject: Fight Online Gambling Prohibition TODAY Reply with quote
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From Poker player allaince.

The U.S. Congress is Trying to Ban
Online Poker TODAY!!!
THIS IS NOT A TEST - Call Your Senator Now!

U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is attaching the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act to a bill that is expected to be approved by the Congress early this evening. PLEASE call your Senators today and tell them that they should oppose the Internet gambling bill being part of Port Security legislation.

If the Port Security bill passes, with the Internet gambling language included, your ability to enjoy poker online will be at serious risk.

Each member of the Poker Players Alliance has two Senators which are listed below (or click here). They need to hear from you RIGHT NOW! Let them know that you care about your rights to play poker.

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Friday has been quite a roller coaster for all of us following the internet gambling legislation/language.

Senate Majority Leader Frist and House Speaker Hastert continue to attempt to attach extraneous matters to bills moving through both chambers. This includes some form of Internet gambling language.

It appears for the moment that the only viable major vehicle for this language be attached to is the legislation dealing with port security. The remainder of the large bills that will be considered before breaking for the elections have been finalized or passed (DoD Approps, DoD Authorization, DHS Approps, etc.)

As of Friday evening, reports indicate that Internet gambling language has been inserted into the port security legislation conference report.

Both chambers are still slated to end work late Friday or Saturday before they head back for the elections. It is unclear at this point exactly when they will gavel things closed until mid-November. Remember that they will be back after the elections for a lame-duck session.

What can you do at this point? Please feel free to continue to call the chief authors of the port security legislation and hope they can be convinced to not add extraneous matters to this important bill. In addition, you should call your own Senators and Representative to reinforce this message.

Try to remain respectful and not abuse the people who answer the phones. They are much more likely to pass along the message if you keep the tone polite.

Senator Ted Stevens (R-AK) (202) 224-3004
Senator Daniel Inouye (D-HI) (202) 224-3934
Senator Susan Collins (R-ME) (202) 224-2523
Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) (202) 224-4041
Rep. Peter King (R-NY) 202-225-7896
Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) 202-225-5876

Senate Homeland Security Committee
Majority: 202-224-4751
Minority: 202-224-2627
Senate Commerce Committee
Majority: 202-224-5115
Minority: 202-224-0411
House Homeland Security Committee
Majority: (202) 226-8417
Minority: (202) 226-2616

House Office of the Speaker: 202-225-0600
House Office of the Majority Leader: 202-225-4000
Senate Office of the Majority Leader: 202-225-135

If anyone wishes to watch either the House or Senate floors, you can view it on C-Span (House) or C-Span 2 (Senate).

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Please Call!!! Tell your Senators to oppose attaching Internet gambling to Port Security!
Click Here for your Senator's phone number.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 8:00pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 8:16pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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doesnt sound good.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 8:19pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Something I found on cardplayer.com

Right now Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is working to attach the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act to a Port Defense Bill that will be voted on sometime this evening.

“There’s a high degree of concern on our behalf that Senator Frist is going to be able to push this through,” said Michael Bolcerek, president of the Poker Players Alliance. “We’re outraged. This is political gamesmanship.”

Later tonight, the rules committee will decide if the Prohibition Act will be added to a bill dealing with port defense. It won’t be added if it’s deemed too controversial, something the PPA believe is the case.

If the rules committee doesn’t think it’s too controversial, it will be added and the Port Security Bill will be voted on sometime around midnight. It will be the last vote of the evening.

The PPA is encouraging its members and poker lovers to get in touch with their lawmakers this evening. A list of every Senator’s number can be found at the PPA’s webpage http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org/.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 8:25pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 8:26pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I called both my senators. Both unavailable and left messages. Man, this is so uncool.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 8:27pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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TerryToma
Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 9:17pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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looks like the house is working on the port security bill right now, thats what internet gaming is attached to. the senate looks like its going to pass it with a voice vote around midnight. watching cspan & cspan 2 right now.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 9:30pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I hate modern American politics sooooo much
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 9:53pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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the house is voting on it right now
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 9:58pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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http://www.rules.house.gov/109_2nd/text/hr4954cr/hr49543_portscr.pdf

starting on page 213.. goes until page 244.. man this is a lot more comprehensive than any of the other previous bills.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:03pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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it passed

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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:12pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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wow this changes my future in a not so positive way
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:16pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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the Senate still has to pass it, but I cant see them not.

Our political system is garbage. People vote for people they have never even heard of, about issues that don't even concern them.

If someone is anti-gay, anti-drugs, and anti-gambling they will easily get elected by people who arn't gay, have never done drugs, and don't gamble.

fuckers.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:17pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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this vote was almost exactly on party lines.. i thought it would be almost unanimous.. it barely passed the house, perhaps the senate can fillibuster it or put up more of a fight?

the bill is 244 pages long, ~30+ pages are devoted to the internet gambling. it is much stronger than any other version previously discussed.. it talks about blocking ISP, Credit Cards, along with EFT (electronic fund transfers).

Even if i wasnt for internet gambling, the section on being able to block certain websites seems likes communist china to me.

In skimming the bill, it looks like it will be put in to effect within 270 days of passage.. of course remember

this has just passed the house, it needs to go through the senate.
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My concern is that the only person who mentioned gambling VOTED YES.

I don't think the demmys care about it, I think this is purely partisan BS.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:22pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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how about you're cocksucker republican dictators now. fuck em all we deserve to be terror bombed. talk about land of the "free", laughable.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:26pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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It isnt just the republicans.

America suffers from deeper issues mostly stemming from the voters inability to educate themselves.

Democrats do shit like this too.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:31pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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welp im gonna vote democrat


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Democrat is surely better on these issues, I only meant that both parties use these tactics to pass things that the other party opposes.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:33pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Fuck the republocrats, too.

I'm just ashamed of being American right now. Taking away right of adults in a free country is idiotic. I could sign up for the military tommorrow and be off to kill some other sorry poopyhead at the bottom of the food chain from another country, but i can't spend somes money i earned on something i enjoy or smoke a little weed in the privacy of my own home, jesus christ what a scam.

i pray for Armageddon because of shit like this.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:38pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I don't think we should all be this outraged.

The governments ability to ban phsyical gambling allows this to happen. I for one cannot say the government has the right to ban one without the other.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:40pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The senate is talking about it right now on cspan2.

This bill is concerning because it is regulating/blocking internet transactions. International ones, at that.
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According to random people on 2+2 this bill will not mesh with WTO policies reguarding international trade.... hope they are right
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:43pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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i just phoned buckingham palace and downing street (no joke) and left messages on their public answerphone.

Obviously totally useless, but you never know Sad Sad Sad Sad
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:50pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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they shouldnt ban any of it, none. i think people should be allowed to pursue whatever they want with their short time on this planet. the hypocracy of government funded lotteries with some much -EV it's not even funny makes this even worse. i think people should become outraged when things like this happen as it's a slow slide toward more of the group controlling the individual.

looking back through history all, every single one, of the powerful empires have crumbled and i'm just waiting for the US to follow suit. i hate all forms of government that tell me what i can or cannot do just because i happened to be born on a certain patch of dirt on the earth.
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I of course completley agree with you, I was just showing that relying on differences between phsyical and electronic gambling to shoot down these bills is harmful in the long run, we should on the other hand be challenging the government on much larger more fundamental issues.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:54pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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oh boy,

even democrats are talking about sept 11th, there isnt going to be a fight at all on this bill.

we had a better shot at stopping this in the house. so because of sept 11th i wont be able to play holdem online.. the terrorist have won (tongue in check).
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yay for profitting both financially and idealogically from the death of american civilians!

go politicans!
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:01pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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there is some dealing going on right now on the senate floor, lots of quorum calls..

maybe the dems are getting the hint they shouldnt be voting for this.. the house had every dem vote against it. i was surprised to see them talking so positively about it on the senate floor.

now Sen Sessions is talking about immigration..
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i know its been going on forever, but doesn't it shock anybody that our "leaders" can attached any kind of sorry ass thing onto the back of another bill without it being properly investigated and debated or even related. I mean what the poop does poker have to do with port security. It just seems like a major loophole that gives these people too much power to push certain agendas.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:05pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I am so bitter right now
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You are right.

But who is going to legislate that? It isn't in the constitution.

Is the congress going to ban themselves from doing something they like to do?
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oh, hell no they won't. but just trying to wrap my head around things like this as i try to sleep at night makes me wonder how we became trapped into such a illogical system.
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i know its been going on forever, but doesn't it shock anybody that our "leaders" can attached any kind of sorry ass thing onto the back of another bill without it being properly investigated and debated or even related. I mean what the poop does poker have to do with port security. It just seems like a major loophole that gives these people too much power to push certain agendas.


welcome to america. that is how pork gets passed, gets attached to defense spending bill or budget or something that will pass..

thats also how they zing senators.. "you voted against port security, sen kerry!" see...
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im watching cspan2 and they just flashed something that the port security bill or w/e passed 80-19... i thought they werent going to vote until midnight? and has the poker ban been attached officially or no?
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check out this broke dick poopyhead LEach on CSPAN vomiting up " you just click you're mouse and lose your house" catchphases.
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im watching cspan2 and they just flashed something that the port security bill or w/e passed 80-19... i thought they werent going to vote until midnight? and has the poker ban been attached officially or no?


i missed that. my cspan2 didnt have that. i wonder if im running a delay. ugh
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it was on regular old CSPAN home of the enlightened dipshits, fuck i'm feeling sick.
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bearcats05 wrote:
im watching cspan2 and they just flashed something that the port security bill or w/e passed 80-19... i thought they werent going to vote until midnight? and has the poker ban been attached officially or no?


i missed that. my cspan2 didnt have that. i wonder if im running a delay. ugh


i think the 80-19 was the fence vote
H.R. 6061; Secure Fence Act of 2006
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im going to sleep assuming this will pass easily.

Plz let me be suprised.
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don't these fucks look more and more like glorified used car salesmen the more you watch them trying to sell their ideas about how to run the world to each other

how the fuck did we lose on the last hour of the last day of the session to some god damn horseshit bill add-on... bad beat


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hmm

looks like the house is still talking about it on cspan 1. i guess the earlier vote was just a procedural vote.
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that last guy was kicking some ass out there.
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get ready we're fucked now 15 minutes and counting
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100 to 1 already in favor wtf
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100 to 1 already in favor wtf


yup, we were screwed by the conference.. frist snuck the internet gambling into the port bill.. we're screwed.
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ok so only 1 fucking vote to not pass it. wtf. how the fuck can they fucking put a online gambling law on a fucking port security bill. jesus fucking christ. so what now we cant play poker any fucking more?
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