| Author |
Message |
|
Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 10:25am Post subject: Exploiting habitual c-bettors
|
 |
|
Flush
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
Posts: 531
WPP: 112
Location: London
|
|
Just wondering what peoples thoughts were on exploiting guys that are c-betting 90/100% of the time.
What board textures, bet sizing etc. is most profitable.
I would imagine low flops/ medium-low un-co-ordinated boards.
Also the frequency (I'd imagine like 1/3?) - if you do this too often it becomes real old real fast, I really think I gain alot of ev by 3betting opponents that are just too aggressive in messing with my own cbets
Also are there any other ways we can take more advantage of missed flops as pre-flop caller.
Ie. multi-way pot we called with SC otb. Original raiser checks which usually means he missed and doesnt want to cbet into multiple callers
so we take a stab.
Maybe I should be raising with more draws on flop?
Is raising a mid pp (77) with one overcard spew against a 17/14 say
on Q64 rainbow flop?
I guess alot depends on whether they are loose/tight post. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 12:28pm Post subject:
|
|
|
Straight
Joined: 01 Jul 2006
Posts: 125
WPP: 96
Location: Australia
|
|
I look forward to these answers. I struggle with persistent c-bettors.
Good post. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 12:54pm Post subject:
|
|
|
EAT BUGS
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Posts: 7833
WPP: 52
Location: trying to live
|
|
| just raise cbets every now and then, you'll get an idea of it all eventually |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 1:23pm Post subject:
|
|
|
Flush
Joined: 24 Sep 2006
Posts: 492
WPP: 41
Location: Huddersfield, England
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 1:30pm Post subject:
|
|
|
Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6593
WPP: 74
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 1:30pm Post subject:
|
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 04 Mar 2006
Posts: 1713
WPP: 58
Location: UK
|
|
| I like calling lots of hands in position and floating dryish flops which have missed a good amount of their range. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 1:43pm Post subject: Re: Exploiting habitual c-bettors
|
|
|
OLD MAN RIVER
Joined: 14 Sep 2005
Posts: 3687
WPP: 80
Location: Canuckistan
|
|
OOP: Increase your c/r frequency with sets/pps that you'd usually lead with, occasionally c/r w/draws/air. Chronic c-bet aggression tends to get ramped back when villain is fearful of being c/raised, makes them easier to read when they actually have a hand.
Donk out with draws and with low-mid-pps, sometimes air into flops that miss overcards, are paired or monotone. It's less expensive than a c/r and balances/mixes up your play.
IP: Tend to raise oesds/fds/pps, mix up raising with embracing your inner calling station and floating more, betting the turn when checked to.
Generally, donk out and c/r more often OOP, raise more/float more IP, bluff/semi-bluff more, make villain nervous about c-betting with nothing and tighten him up. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 2:01pm Post subject:
|
|
|
Eats babies
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Posts: 3884
WPP: 109
|
|
| If they have a high fold to turn bet% or are just plain Aggro and loose, I float them. Against a tighter TAGG type player, I at least make sure I have a few outs, like an A on a K high or Mid PP in case I get called lightly. I also re-raise all my decent draws on the flop. You can't just look for the high C bet %'s, you need to find the right guys. Get a read that they can fold marginal hands first. No Read, No Playing Back. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 2:52pm Post subject:
|
|
|
Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6593
WPP: 74
|
|
| OOP can be a lot tougher than in pos, because its very hard to figure out good spots to double barrel. When looking for spots to two barrel look for when your likely opponent moves are call/fold rather than fold/raise. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 2:57pm Post subject:
|
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 04 Mar 2006
Posts: 1713
WPP: 58
Location: UK
|
|
| ISF, floating vs. raising. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 3:29pm Post subject:
|
|
|
Flush
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
Posts: 531
WPP: 112
Location: London
|
|
| Thanks for the responses guys, most helpful & happy new year! (for later) |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 5:46pm Post subject:
|
|
|
Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6593
WPP: 74
|
|
Factors:
-How much they give up after cbetting
-How much they fold to a raise
-Board texture (look at my second post in this thread, there's a relationship)
-Range you can rep (important)
You can figure it out from there, ofc there are more factors too. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 12:52am Post subject:
|
|
|
Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 18762
WPP: 81
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
|
|
1) Fold less
2) Pretty much ignore HU flop bets when putting them on a range
From there the answers aren't hard. Also, it really depends on flop texture and how loose they are. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 2:56pm Post subject:
|
|
|
Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 3063
WPP: 71
|
|
| Think about what flops will almost always get c-bet. Then float and c/r them more often. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
FTR $200 Freeroll at ChiliPoker, November 22nd 14:00 ET
