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jyms
Post Posted: Thu, 21 Dec 2006, 10:24pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If not for bonuses, prizes and Rakeback, I'd be done for good. I'm going to slow down and take more time to learn. I need to start a new BR building campaign but based on learning winning poker. I'm basically a losing player if not for those extras that are put in my account. I have some leaks that have been Identified. Some have not I'm sure. I won't post a hand or two,because I don't feel being able to pick my hands to post will do any good, but will let anyone who wants to have a look, give you my most recent session. Pelion already offered to look at last nights 600+ hand debacle, where I flopped 1 set all night and lost $108 on the $25NL tables at Crypto, and will let me know if it's my game or just a bad run. Yes I have run terrible lately, but not for 71K hands and I don't have an upswing of any significance. That downswing is right when I switched to CryptoLogic on Oct. 30th and started clearing monthly bonuses at sun and PokerPlex plus started getting Rakeback.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Dec 2006, 7:53pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Update please! Very Happy

As to your problem, that graph chocked me a bit, since I had the impression that you were having succes. I think it would help you if you tightend up alot 23 vpip is a lot, escpecially when you are playing a these stakes where you don't need to play hands to hide your hands. If you cut 5% of this number you won't end up in a lot of tricky situations where you forgot why you even played the hand and get in trouble. Futhermore you will save a ton of bbs limping in with a small chance of winning the pot. Other than that you should start working alot more on blind stealing, that number should be around 30%. Theese two things alone would really add up to your BB/100.

Just tried to find a link to a brilliant post on blind stealing from the 2+2 forum, but I could not find it.
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Post Posted: Sat, 30 Dec 2006, 3:37pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I have actually been spending a lot more time reading about poker. I have tried to stay away from the commune here and a lot of other sites, non poker related. I have had a few sessions since seeing that graph myself. I have spent all my time reading and attempting to be more aggressive, pre and post flop. Last night I had a very up and down night, sticking with the program is hard, I have a lot of bad habits. I had to pull myself away from falling into the same patterns several times, and when I did I get myself back to the black.




A couple quick thoughts. I have a post it note now on my computer telling me 5 things.
1) Don't stack off in unraised pots
2) TP sucks ( I know, Not always, but it helps keep it simple)
3) Position counts more than cards
4) Bet sizing, flop=Pot, turn=3/4, river=1/2
5) Take stabs at bigger pots.

This along with trying to get my PFR% to 3/4 of my VP$P is making a huge difference in putting guys on hands, knowing someone out of position has the goods and lowering the variance generally. I think most of the variance you see last night comes from, guys playing 64sooted OOP and getting lucky And I don't give them that respect of calling two large bets, that they hit the miracle card. Also me reverting back to the limp and call with marginal hands when not getting good hands, and getting involved in pots I shouldn't.

I read an article yesterday on (the other site) that really helped about downswings. I'd link it here, but it's been linked since I read it, It's in one of Renton's posts. If you can't find it, ask and i will link it here.

Kauf, thanks for responding. I choked too. I knew I wasn't winning much but that was a wake up for me. I read the article on blind stealing, alot my problems are stemming from not being aggressive and not recognizing who is to my left and the opportunities to steal. My whole game has been wrong. As for VP$P, at 6max I'm now trying to just make sure I have 3/4 PFR%/VP$P. I have been told I will be OK If I focus on position and my raising. It supposedly won't matter too much if I'm 55/40, 30/22 or 15/12 as long as my AF is 2+ and I keep hammering from better position, as long as I can play well post flop. So we will see if that works.

The big drop in December is when I got paid my Rakeback and had enough with two Crypto monthlies to move up. I took an even bigger beating at £25NL and $50NL. I was so concerned about having the BR, I wasn't checking to see my game was a losing one. I've been able to stay ahead of the losing at $25NL with the amount of hands I play, getting Rakeback and monthly bonuses at several sites.

So here it is in a nutshell. I'm playing too much from UTG and MP. I'm not raising enough from everywhere. I don't re raise enough or check raise enough, with good and mediocre hands. I stab at the pot a lot with C-bets but sometimes In a raised pot with 2 callers, the $1 doesn't do it. I have started really paying attention to stack sizes and the pot size, before EVERY action. I still catch myself throwing out 4BB preflop raises without seeing a caller or two. I still catch myself making $1 bets on the flop when I have raised it up preflop and the pot is $2+. I also catch myself not betting and getting into a check call situation post flop with draws. Let's see how this year finishes out.
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Kauf Jr.
Post Posted: Sat, 30 Dec 2006, 5:21pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Glad your still working on your play despite a few problems! Your plan is sounding very good and wellthought out, if you keep analysing and working on your play like this I won't take you long to beat the shit out of 25NL! I'm afraid that I can't be of any help to your 6-max game as I still enjoy nutcamping FR Very Happy

If I should sum up 3 things to beat 25NL it would be:

1. Agression
2. Position
3. Avoid trouble (Even if it means missing some +EV)

Looking forward to getting more updates now that you are back at playing again Very Happy
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Post Posted: Sun, 31 Dec 2006, 10:59am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Trainer_jyms wrote:
I have been told I will be OK If I focus on position and my raising. It supposedly won't matter too much if I'm 55/40, 30/22 or 15/12 as long as my AF is 2+ and I keep hammering from better position, as long as I can play well post flop.

I think this is only good advice if you are really confident in your post flop play. If you are running at 30/22 you are going to be putting yourself in alot of marginal situations.

Why not make it easy on yourself and tighten up considerably in EP to start with? I started mucking alot of marginal hands PF (sc's, KJ, AT, etc) in EP/MP initially and my swings stabilized. Now I'm slowly starting to add in some of these when I'm comfortable with the table and I'm playing well.

EDIT: just read Kauf Jr's post. Basically what he said:
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3. Avoid trouble (Even if it means missing some +EV)
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Post Posted: Sun, 31 Dec 2006, 10:18pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Converter sucks I'm sorry. I needed to vent before I go back and play 500 more hands to clear the $100 Bonus left on my account. How do you not kill somebody when this doesn't stop. I'm trying not to let this thread be a bad beat thread but FUCK. It never stops. Thanks for letting me blow some steam. It's not like the wife wants to hear it.


Game #2947089063: Hold'em NL ($0.15/$0.25) - 2007/01/01 - 01:50:33 (GMT)
Table "OLyonnaisFC" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 1: kostos ($25.20 in chips)
Seat 2: Sjbrad ($5.75 in chips)
Seat 3: Cinimod ($24 in chips)
Seat 4: 13jyms ($21.55 in chips)
Seat 5: Babyria ($45.35 in chips)
Seat 6: Uggmiest ($14.66 in chips)
Babyria: posts small blind $0.15
Uggmiest: posts big blind $0.25
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to 13jyms [Kh Kd]
kostos: folds
Sjbrad: calls $0.25
Cinimod: raises to $1.50
13jyms: raises to $3.50
Babyria: folds
Uggmiest: folds
Sjbrad: folds
Cinimod: raises to $24 and is all-in
13jyms: is all-in $18.05
Returned uncalled bets $2.45 to Cinimod
----- FLOP ----- [9h 4h 9d]
----- TURN ----- [9h 4h 9d][Ts]
----- RIVER ----- [9h 4h 9d Ts][Qc]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Cinimod: shows [Qs Qd] (A Full House, Queens full of Nines)
13jyms: shows [Kh Kd] (Two Pairs, Kings and Nines, Queen high)
Cinimod collected $41.60 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----

Game #2946933663: Hold'em NL ($0.15/$0.25) - 2007/01/01 - 01:43:20 (GMT)
Table "Arneb" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: Acelil ($21.78 in chips)
Seat 2: Frankie59 ($18.70 in chips)
Seat 3: Toosher ($19.63 in chips)
Seat 4: Mkfinest ($12.17 in chips)
Seat 5: 13jyms ($18.31 in chips)
Seat 6: Bluemonke ($33.75 in chips)
Frankie59: posts small blind $0.15
Toosher: posts big blind $0.25
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to 13jyms [Kd Kh]
Mkfinest: calls $0.25
13jyms: raises to $1.25
Bluemonke: folds
Acelil: folds
Frankie59: calls $1.10
Toosher: raises to $2.25
Mkfinest: folds
13jyms: raises to $18.31 and is all-in
Frankie59: folds
Toosher: calls $16.06
----- FLOP ----- [3d Ad Th]
----- TURN ----- [3d Ad Th][2c]
----- RIVER ----- [3d Ad Th 2c][Ks]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
13jyms: shows [Kd Kh] (Three of a kind, Kings, Ace high)
Toosher: shows [5d 4d] (A Straight, Five high)
Toosher collected $36.22 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----

Game #2947004483: Hold'em NL ($0.15/$0.25) - 2007/01/01 - 01:33:13 (GMT)
Table "CapeTownWC" Seat 4 is the button.
Seat 1: Niilex2 ($9.16 in chips)
Seat 2: hansengus sits out
Seat 3: OnniBosse sits out
Seat 4: 13jyms ($61.32 in chips)
Seat 5: Thetic ($22.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Youlldo ($31.50 in chips)
Thetic: posts small blind $0.15
Youlldo: posts big blind $0.25
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to 13jyms [Qs As]
Niilex2: calls $0.25
13jyms: raises to $1
Thetic: calls $0.85
Youlldo: folds
Niilex2: calls $0.75
----- FLOP ----- [Qc 3d Qd]
OnniBosse sits back
Thetic: checks
Niilex2: checks
13jyms: bets $1.25
Thetic: raises to $2.50
Niilex2: folds
13jyms: calls $1.25
----- TURN ----- [Qc 3d Qd][8h]
Thetic: bets $3.50
13jyms: calls $3.50
----- RIVER ----- [Qc 3d Qd 8h][2d]
Thetic: bets $4
13jyms: calls $4
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Thetic: shows [8d 7d] (A Flush, Queen high)
13jyms: mucks hand [Qs As]
Thetic collected $22.10 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
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biondino
Post Posted: Mon, 01 Jan 2007, 9:43am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Man, those first two! The last one - dude, you slowplayed a great hand and they sucked out on you. It doesn't really belong in the same category. But still - vul.

Next time we're online at the same time, hit me up - maybe I can rail you and we can discuss tactics etc. Bearing in mind that my first 500 hands after coming back from holiday have been at $25/£25 (to get back into the swing) and I'm down about $50...
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jyms
Post Posted: Mon, 01 Jan 2007, 1:03pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Thanks, I will try. I really need an experienced eye from these stakes at Crypto. Things don't seem right. i can handle variance but losing hundreds of dollars some weeks is really graining on me and draining the roll fast.

As for the hand I slowplayed. That was a missread. This was a fairly decent sLAG. I had him on JQ or KQ maybe. But I was really more worried he'd hit the FH with a SC and was setting me up for the all in. I was pushing the table around pretty good till that point. I wasn't letting it go, but I wasn't really planning on stacking off to him either. I don't know, maybe I'm just beat in my mind. I lose the feel of hand control for stretches at a time. Thanks.
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Post Posted: Tue, 02 Jan 2007, 1:24pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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sorry about that in the chat trainer. my computer was messing up. i'm currently playing $25nl and my bankroll is up to $600 from $0 about a month ago. but my profit from poker is probably about $1500-$2000.
i'm going to move up to $50nl soon. when i reach $900/$1k. but if i drop below $850 i am going to go back to $25nl.
i'm currently playing at PokerRoom.

btw, i just read your AQ hand with a flop of QQ3. and i don't like the slowplay. i think you should have made a raise on the turn. and personally i think i may have even reraised on the flop. but maybe because i play a bit too scared.
your opponent made an interesting play this hand. checkraising his flush draw and then betting the turn. i'm not used to plays like this at PokerRoom. players play flush draws very conservatively there at $25NL. you very rarely see players betting their flush draws like this.

also, why didn't you move down to $25nl when you're bankroll reached $700/$800? or was it a mistake?
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Post Posted: Tue, 02 Jan 2007, 1:48pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I had $1100+ to try the move. I wasn't going to try just two stacks and drop. I gave myself 6 buy ins at 2tabling and it wen't horrible. Alot of getting it in ahead and stacking off. I dropped back to $25Nl at around $800 which is still 32 buy ins at $25NL, so I had a nice cushion still. The rest is just me, I'm an idiot. Tune in tonight on Ventrilo or FTR chat and watch the demise of a $1100 bankroll live.
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Post Posted: Tue, 02 Jan 2007, 8:37pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Trainer_jyms wrote:
I had $1100+ to try the move. I wasn't going to try just two stacks and drop. I gave myself 6 buy ins at 2tabling and it wen't horrible. Alot of getting it in ahead and stacking off. I dropped back to $25Nl at around $800 which is still 32 buy ins at $25NL, so I had a nice cushion still. The rest is just me, I'm an idiot. Tune in tonight on Ventrilo or FTR chat and watch the demise of a $1100 bankroll live.

everybody has bad runs. doesn't mean anything. my BR has gone up and down a million times. and it was because i was an idiot.
but it happens to everybody. especially when starting off.
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Post Posted: Wed, 03 Jan 2007, 11:23am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Well, It's over. I pulled $250 out of Crypto and have $100 left there. I am waiting for my Rakeback and I will pull that too. I have been destroyed on Crypto's 6 max tables while trying to learn to play poker and trying to learn the more aggressive game of 6 max. On Dec. 1st/06 I was at $1100 playing slightly less than break even poker, and have consistantly been fucked, or have fucked up to lose 1/2 my roll. I have had great guys from this site rail me, look at HH's, and spent hours in the chat posting hands to no avail.

It's been said that I have a good game. I just lose focus. Out of the blue I will do stupid things like not letting go of TP to huge aggression, Calling raises with very scary draw heavy boards, and open limping, which I vowed never to do. But when I get into PT and analize all my big hands, there it is again. "LIMP, why the poop did I limp that", scares the hell out of the wife when she hears me yell that at the computer.

The problem seems to be ingrained bad habits. Like a kid that gets his hand slapped for sucking his thumb. Without even knowing it, it's in their again and BAM, he is as suprised it was in there as much as his mother. "I just told you to stop!" I keep getting my hand slapped, I have post its. I know not to just go to the slider bet willy nilly. It matters. But later that night, click $0.25, click $0.50, click $0.75, click $1.00, C-bet. Fuck, that's a $3 pot poopyhead. Why the hell did you C-bet $1 into a $3 pot with 2 callers that checked to you on the button with a draw heavy board?

Ya, I yell at myself a lot.

I need to slow down. Play less tables. I tried that last night with $165 dollars left on Crypto while waiting for my withdrawl to complete. I dumped 2 buy in's in 400 hands playing 2 tables. Cold cards, yep. Bad suckouts, Yep. Were you playing your game, no mistakes." I think so, let me check the PT". Ok hand one, this was bad I had QQ in the CO, 1 limp, I raise to 5BB folds to limper who calls, yep. Flop Kxx two clubs, check, I raise, BAM
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click $0.25, click $0.50, click $0.75, click $1.00, C-bet. Fuck, that's a $3 pot poopyhead. Why the hell did you C-bet $1 into a $3 pot with 2 callers that checked to you on the button with a draw heavy board?
MotherF........ I shut it down.

Stay tuned for the new drive to $25NL.

Thanks again guys. In no particular order. Biondino for giving me shit on AIM and while sitting at my tables and railing me. Pelion for chat's in MSN and FTR chat room that have helped alot, even when on his vacation. Spenda, Renton, jager and euph (where'd he go?) for the help in chat room every night. I would be great if two of us could have an upswing at the same time. All you guys posting in this and other threads of mine. I'm not sure if I'm going to continue my drive in this thread, I'm going to set some new goals, and do some research while hammering away at Full Tilt, THIS IS NOT OVER, poker wins round one, but hell 100K hands is short term right.
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Very sad to see this happen. I'll eagerly be awaiting your new drive and hope it goes better for you.

Give 'em hell, TJ!
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Post Posted: Thu, 04 Jan 2007, 10:37pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Trainer, overall looking at your hands your spewing a lot post flop. That 44 hand even though you got bad beaten no way you should've raised the flop, easy fold to the original bet. I'd start looking to tighten up postflop.

I just thought I'd comment even though I haven't made a contribution to this thread yet.
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Sorry you're not doing well.

Trainer_jyms wrote:
But when I get into PT and analize all my big hands, there it is again. "LIMP, why the poop did I limp that", scares the hell out of the wife when she hears me yell that at the computer.
This made me lol. Maybe you should make videos like Tuff_fish Smile
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Man this thread is going to be SO awesome when you start winning, are crushing 200+nl and look back and laugh at your graphs. Stick with it man, we're rootin' for you!
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TJ, where is the bankroll at these days? As you know, i started one of these threads also, so maybe we can use that as a little motivation to see who can get to $25 first. My BR is sitting at $270 right now, so maybe your way ahead of that, but if not id be interested in a small prop bet. let me know what you think.
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oh, and good luck too. keep at it and you will be back at $50nl in no time.
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Post Posted: Fri, 05 Jan 2007, 11:18am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Bode-ist wrote:
TJ, where is the bankroll at these days? As you know, i started one of these threads also, so maybe we can use that as a little motivation to see who can get to $25 first. My BR is sitting at $270 right now, so maybe your way ahead of that, but if not id be interested in a small prop bet. let me know what you think.


Well, most($700 or so) of it is at Crypto. I have about 20 or 30 players holding it for me. I have $102 on Poker Plex and $50 on stars for tourneys. That money has been there forever. I have had it to $100 and down to $7. That could be a whole other thread. I also Deposited the rest of my roll,$250 on Full Tilt( Bad idea Embarassed ) I am at $179 in two days playing $10NL.

So In all, I have:
$ 102
$ 50
$ 179 = for a grand total of $321, plus some Rakeback, coming on Poker Plex. Bode, A prop bet would be good, for both of us. We will discuss the rules, I'm open for anything. I want to try playing a few more tourneys and S&G's as well. I was killing them on stars last night. My roll was at $27 before I started.

I may need to move my roll from Full Tilt. This place is fucked. $10NL FR tables when I was datamining, were averaging about 23 or 24%VP$P and PFR of 7 to 10. That's insane. I had maybe 1 ( PT Icons) calling station per table, if I was lucky. They are filled with hyper aggressives, sLAG's and TAG's. Not an exageration at all. I can post stat's if anybody disputes it. Tell me what to do. I may leave my money in plex for now for my move back to Crypto, unless I need it. Bode, The race is to whatever you want. I think my best shot is a race to $0, because I see that in my future.

Thanks everyone for the posts, I am listening I swear.


here's the thread for the prop bet.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=450935#450935


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Post Posted: Fri, 05 Jan 2007, 11:36am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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how about a $20 prop bet to see who can get their BR to $500 first? I dont know exactly how to do this because i will be clearing $50 stars Bonus by next week, and then getting the last $20 Bonus from AP and that will make way for $100 i can cash out in PSO points. Let me know. Im sitting at $270 now, so if you want we can do profits from $10nl cash games only.
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So what do you guys think? Full Tilt's FR tables are full of sLAG's, TAG's and HAGG's (hyper-aggressives). Seriously, full of them. Is it worth it to pull the money, lose the $250 match deposit Bonus. I mean I know it's worth it, from a bankroll point of view, but is it a case of if I can't beat these guys and clear that Bonus, how the hell do I beat $50NL. What about moving to 6 max again. I went there for the FR and $10NL tables, but all my games lately (last three months) are all 6max. I bailed on it when I think I was starting to figure it out. I am not comfortable anymore, playing 15/10/1.5. Is stars my future, or ultimatebeat. Yes I said that. Maybe will lok over some sites when i get home. I have accounts with Empire, party, ultimate and Prima.

thanks.
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Post Posted: Fri, 05 Jan 2007, 4:52pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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if you have been playing 6max for a while, why not switch back. If you're running 15/10/1.5, then that could be the root of your problem. and i think that i run kinda nitty at 18/14 :wow:. I think the aggression factor might be your problem at the 6max tables. You need to focus more on raising and get away from calling so many raises with easily dominated hands.
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No sorry, I mispoke. I can't handle playing those stats now htat I'm at FR. Trying to be nitty. At the 6 max tables I shoot for 2/3 at the minimum, VP$P/PFR%, but try not to dictate my first number until at the table. If I have a table with some donaters, I try to up VP$P number to be involved in more hands with the fish. When the table is playing more aggressive, I will back off and wait for better hands in position to play back at them. i think I will try some six max tonight first and see how it goes. Maybe I will find less nut campers and aggros and actually play some hands to clear the Bonus.
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TJ, one thing - players do sometimes differ between sites but by and large, they're all the same, certainly at the low limits. So don't ever allow yourself to say "ah well, it's only cos FT/UB/Crypto players are so laggy/nitty/etc" because it's really not true.

Find a site that gives you the tables you want at times you want, offers good bonuses and rb, and stay there. I am sure my fidelity to Crypto has given me a comfort factor I don't have at other sites - my winrate indicates this is so.
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Post Posted: Tue, 09 Jan 2007, 2:05pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Just to let you know. I've sucked so far in my new rebuilding campaign and prop bet. I spent some time yesterday playing about 1K hands 4 tabling. I was getting killed (-4+ buy-ins) . I stopped and sat in the living room and had a drink. The whole thing was weighing on my mind. Why am I losing so much, there must be something. So I read, here, there (other guys) and my Poker Tracker. I realized I'm an idiot. I lose way to much with TPTK. I don't mean I have QQ and 3 bet preflop and get all in with some idiot just to find he has AA or KK(which both happened last night as well as a Set over set), those are where you should get stacked, if at all.

I have noticed in my recent 2 or so months of learning aggression and betting , I haven't recognised when the other guy has a hand. I am so busy now, trying to stop drawing hands with "not giving odds", that I haven't been able to notice that I'm beat. My focus in the hand is all wrong. I have somehow begun to play just my hand. Not when I'm playing 1 or 2 tables, not when I start playing a session, but usually when I've been playing a bit. When I have 125 or more BB at a couple tables, things feel easy. I get too relaxed. I get so focused on my old leaks and trying to bet properly and be aggressive pre and post flop, I've forgotten to watch them. The stuff that should be automatic isn't, the stuff that requires my thinking and watching is not getting tended to. You guys have told me, I know, even looking back,
Warpe wrote:
Look at how often you are stacking off with TP/2p. Pull those hands and see if you could have got away from them.

I've ben told this outrite. Yes I've seen it, yes I've noticed, but there was this "AHA" moment. We've all had them. I hope this was mine. I went back, got to within a half buy in of even, before stacking of preflop QQ vs AA. That was enough, I may have found the problem. You told me, but like an addict, rock bottom is all it takes. Sucks I know, but without rock bottom, how do you stop falling.

Let's hope, I'll keep you posted. his is the beginning or the end. My bankroll cannot withstand much longer. I will be posting my bankroll and some thoughts in our Bode-ist vs Trainer_jyms, Round 1thread.
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Post Posted: Wed, 10 Jan 2007, 10:03am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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This is monday and tuesdays graph. Can you see where abouts I had my AHA moment? i hope this is a sign of things to come. Some bad beats kept me from rising any more than that. I could post hands, but I know what I did. I was so confident yesterday and playing so much better that I actually was playing 8 tables for the last 1K hands. That one bad beataround the 4800 hand mark is posted in the Bode/trainer thread linked above. Without that one hand, I finish the day up 4 buy ins. Turns out I'm up just over 2 for last night. WOW, was it fun again playing poker. I felt "right".

I think that fixing leaks can cause leaks in other places. My game by no means is intact, but I was more weak tight before and never got too involved without a good hand. When trying to add aggression to my 6 max game, I failed to recognize the downfalls of it. Calling stations, fish and even the weak tights and rocks, all will hang around and either hide behind your bets or just be happy to call down with bottom 2 pair or TPTK until you hang yourself. I also stopped C-betting as much, like talked about here in a thread about Sklanskys concept #17 and I read in the book. I added to my flop repetoire (sp) both C/R for bluffs and monsters and C/C for drawing and monsters. Not everytime, just mixing it up, depending on opponents and stacks. This is by no means meant to fool opponents or hide my handsat the $10N level, but I hope to ingrain these new ideas and learn more about them for $25 and $50NL.

The last question remains. What happens if I have a bad night, or just a bad downswing again? I hope I can pull out of it without too many doubts or questions.

Hey Bode-ist, let's rock. Laughing
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Post Posted: Wed, 10 Jan 2007, 7:13pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($12.15)
CO ($12.60)
Hero ($25.85)
SB ($13.75)
BB ($20.20)
UTG ($5.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, T.
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, MP calls $0.75, CO calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.35) 7, 4, T (3 players)
MP bets $2, CO folds, Hero raises to $4, MP calls $2.

Turn: ($11.35) T (2 players)
MP bets $1, Hero raises to $2, MP calls $1.

River: ($15.35) 8 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero ??
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Post Posted: Wed, 10 Jan 2007, 8:06pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Raise more on all streets. Check behind river.
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Post Posted: Wed, 10 Jan 2007, 10:19pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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TJ -
I've been reading off and on and wishing you well.

Friendly advice: I think you need to play to win. You understand the game well enough. Stop obsessing about leaks and weaknesses. Play whatever game suits your roll and beat it. Pay close attention at 1-2 tables and do whatever it takes to beat your opponents. If that means checking TPGK on the turn oop when you put opp on a flush draw, so be it. Don't even worry about PT so much.
Get your confidence going, win your sidebet and take off from there.
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Post Posted: Fri, 12 Jan 2007, 9:07pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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This thread is really long so I didn't read much, but gl on ur drive and prop bet.
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Post Posted: Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 12:58am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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lol... min raising is still slowplaying
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Post Posted: Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 10:39am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Hi TJ,
I have been reading this site for over a year now and have followed your progress, through your drive thread.
As someone in a similar position to your self with family, it’s been great for me to see how you have dedicated your self to improving your game, whilst maintaining a balanced family life.
It has made it very clear that I should also be making a commitment to improving my game.
I am by no means as qualified as the regular posters on ftr, but I would like to say through out this thread you have shown a huge improvement in the understanding of your own game.
I am sure your not the first person to have a couple of set backs on the way to success in this game.
I am certain that you achieve your goal and be pwning $50 NL soon.
Good luck
Andy
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Post Posted: Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 11:56pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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BankItDrew wrote:
lol... min raising is still slowplaying
I'm glad you said that. It's one of my favorite stupid tricks, and it's a huge leak.
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Post Posted: Wed, 17 Jan 2007, 11:52am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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so I put $300 in Prima, trident to be exact. I forgot what it was like to play on shit software. Computer froze up while setting up my Hud and getting PT to find the HH folder. Have to shut down MSN, other windows and keep them to a minimum. Wow, 4 tabling and not one under 38% vp$p and not one over 9% PFR%. Lost a stack early with set > set, but made it back in due time. Up 1 buy-in in 250 hands. we will see how it goes tonight with a full session. Last time i was a break even player and making money was at Prima (River Belle) so now that I feel my game is on track and has less leaks, maybe I clear the 100%, $200 max, Bonus in due time. Still have $154 unaccounted for, my Rakeback provider (soon to be EX Rakeback provider) is still working on it. I will be ripping into some sites and CS staff as soon as I can account for all my money, about this affiliate links and Rakeback providers. If I can't pick my afffiliate, Fuck'em, I'm moving on to the next skin, next Bonus. I'll come back in 3 months with a new account, new Neteller number and new address with my affiliate. B-Bye.
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Post Posted: Wed, 17 Jan 2007, 12:48pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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After reading thru this thread it seems that discipline and focus are your major hurdles. You know what you should be doing, and most likely start out doing it, but then drift back into old habits. I would suggest moving to 1 table (2 at the max), turning off your HuD, and starting each hand with a definite plan. Before each action think about what you are trying to accomplish, and what is the best way to do it.

You may want to change your play up a little bit too. For instance, you don't always have to c-bet when in a heads-up pot. Check behind sometimes, then rep the turn card. You will most likely face fewer check-raises, and fewer check-raise attempts if you don't always throw out the obligatory c-bet.

Most importantly, pay more attention to how your opp's play certain hands. (this is related to turning off your HuD). How do they play monsters, draws, and what constitutes a monster for them. For a lot of players a monster will be TPWK. It will allow you to comfortably felt (or laydown) a wider range of hands if you know what certain actions mean from your opps as opposed to just knowing that they play a certain amount of hands with an aggression factor of X.
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Post Posted: Wed, 17 Jan 2007, 1:00pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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pgil wrote:
After reading thru this thread it seems that discipline and focus are your major hurdles. You know what you should be doing, and most likely start out doing it, but then drift back into old habits.
This is the nail on the head, and I have tried to slow down and play less tables. I am trying to ingrain several new habits, one being, looking at the stack sizes, pot size and preflop actions before reacting.

Quote:
You may want to change your play up a little bit too. For instance, you don't always have to c-bet when in a heads-up pot. Check behind sometimes, then rep the turn card. You will most likely face fewer check-raises, and fewer check-raise attempts if you don't always throw out the obligatory c-bet.
This is something I have been trying, str8 out of NLHE T&P. I have also been trying to not blindly raise as often preflop. Trying to mix up my bets, with limp/calls, raises out of position and 3 betting, just to hide my hands strenght more. If there is an aggro at my table that raises alot of c bets, I will throw out some 3 bet bluffs, as well as some better hands when the board seems to have missed his range.

Quote:
Most importantly, pay more attention to how your opp's play certain hands. (this is related to turning off your HuD). How do they play monsters, draws, and what constitutes a monster for them. For a lot of players a monster will be TPWK. It will allow you to comfortably felt (or laydown) a wider range of hands if you know what certain actions mean from your opps as opposed to just knowing that they play a certain amount of hands with an aggression factor of X.
This is something I have to learn, puting them on ranges, watching for betting information and just playing their hands instead of mine.

thanks.
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Post Posted: Thu, 18 Jan 2007, 3:37pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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+2 buy ins at $20NL. Did I mention how much I like Prima. Good bonuses, bad players, decent amount of tables, plenty of different skins to move to and from and the software...SUCKS. My computer froze up twice yesterday, with PT, PaHud, 4 tables, FTR chat, Vent, MSN and Mozilla all running, it's a nightmare.

Nice Bonus there, 100% match to $200, 250 raked hands@$0.25 = $20. Fairly easy at $20NL ( yea $20NL so $400 BR move up), slow but doable at $10NL if I drop down. Funny thing was I haven't played Prima since Oct, and I had stats on 25% of the players there. Gonna rock out about 1500 hands tonight and see how it goes. Post something tomorrow.
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Post Posted: Thu, 18 Jan 2007, 4:08pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So what's in store for the 1000 post TJ?
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Post Posted: Fri, 19 Jan 2007, 12:08am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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WTF!!!


In case you can't see it, $20NL on Prima.
the stacks are,
$45.45
$35.15
$36.49
$36.93
I'm up 2+ buy ins in only 16oo hands. who the poop taught me to play poker?? It's my second night in a row playing in the green. The two tables in red started off a stack down each with set>set and QQ v AA.


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Post Posted: Fri, 19 Jan 2007, 12:14am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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That pic is big so I won't leave it up for long,
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Post Posted: Sun, 21 Jan 2007, 4:36am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Since moving my $300 BR to Prima on the 15 Jan. Plus I have $150 in Bonus.

This is updated on the Jan. 22nd



Could have been a lot better except for the big dip near the end. He had gotten the big stack by being an idiot and catching, What do you think happened.



Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.20
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $9.80
CO: $100.63
Button: $27.46
Hero: $42.00
BB: $14.10

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with ADiamond AHeart
UTG folds, CO raises to $0.4, Button folds, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, CO calls.

Flop: 7Heart QHeart JSpade ($2.3, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.2, CO raises to $6, Hero raises to $10.8, CO raises to $15.6, Hero calls.

Turn: 8Heart ($33.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $8.4, CO raises to $16.8, Hero raises all-in $17, CO calls.

River: KDiamond ($75.9, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $67.5, Sidepot 1: $8.4)


Results:
Final pot: $75.9
Hero shows Ad Ah
CO shows Qs 7s


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Post Posted: Sun, 21 Jan 2007, 11:18am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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::Insert tired, yet still true comment here about stacking off deep with 1 pair::
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Post Posted: Sun, 21 Jan 2007, 11:26am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Nice Jyms, I know it is a small sample size but good to see you on the right track keep improving Very Happy!
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Post Posted: Mon, 22 Jan 2007, 2:02am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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so updated my graph at the top, this is since moving to Prima and depositing my $300 roll, leaving only $154 on Crypto. I will post more about my experience there in the morning.
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Post Posted: Mon, 22 Jan 2007, 3:06am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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That trainer jyms, he's so hot right now!!
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Post Posted: Tue, 23 Jan 2007, 12:39am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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She's a cold hearted bitch, I'm going to divorce her. I don't want her in my life anymore. She just got her settlement. Here it is. -$60 on the day. Was down $120 and got it back up to -$35 before the last hand. Oh well, I was due.

When variance is goot to you, you love her, you talk to her, you become emotional. But when you forget to do something, and she comes home in a bad mood, walk softly, slouch and go to bed. Don't even attempt to reconcile that night. Bring her flowers tomorrow.

941 hands, my smallest session in weeks. good night.


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Blinds: $0.10/$0.20
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $26.98
CO: $38.41
Button: $13.61
Hero: $19.70
BB: $35.73

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with AClub ASpade
2 folds, Button calls, Hero raises to $0.9, BB folds, Button calls.

Flop: 2Diamond KHeart 2Heart ($2.1, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.2, Button raises to $8.8, Hero raises to $15.4, Button calls all-in $3.81.
Uncalled bets: $2.79 returned to Hero.

Turn: 5Spade ($27.32, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $27.32)


River: KDiamond ($27.32, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $27.32)


Results:
Final pot: $27.32
Button shows Ks 6s




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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.20
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $17.53
Hero: $19.00
CO: $33.78
Button: $27.38
SB: $15.71
BB: $49.16

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with KClub KDiamond
UTG raises to $0.8, Hero raises to $1.4, 4 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: JHeart TDiamond 5Heart ($3.1, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.1, UTG calls.

Turn: 3Heart ($9.3, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $4.65, UTG calls.

River: KSpade ($18.6, 2 players)
UTG is all-in $8.38, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $35.36
UTG shows As Qh




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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.20
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $19.70
UTG+1: $18.70
CO: $29.97
Button: $128.74
SB: $197.43
Hero: $19.00

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 5Club QClub
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: QHeart QSpade AHeart ($0.8, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.8, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, SB raises to $11.63, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 6Heart ($35.69, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

River: ADiamond ($35.69, 3 players)
SB bets $21.6, Hero calls all-in $7.37, UTG+1 folds.
Uncalled bets: $14.23 returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: $50.43
SB shows As 2s




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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.20
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $4.74
UTG+1: $24.71
CO: $25.16
Button: $20.35
Hero: $21.05
BB: $16.00

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with QClub QHeart
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises to $0.4, CO folds, Button calls, Hero raises to $1.5, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Button calls.

Flop: 5Spade 4Club 7Diamond ($6.5, 4 players)
Hero bets $6.6, UTG calls all-in $3.14, UTG+1 folds, Button raises to $13.2, Hero calls all-in $12.95, Button calls all-in $5.55.
Uncalled bets: $0.8 returned to Hero.

Turn: QDiamond ($31.53, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $15.92, Sidepot 1: $31.22)


River: 3Heart ($31.53, 0 player + 3 all-in - Main pot: $15.92, Sidepot 1: $31.22)


Results:
Final pot: $31.53
Button shows 6d 8s




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Blinds: $0.10/$0.20
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $15.70
Hero: $20.40
Button: $11.60
SB: $42.79
BB: $9.03

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with 9Heart THeart
UTG folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: KDiamond JHeart 8Heart ($0.6, 3 players)
SB bets $0.2, BB calls, Hero raises to $1.4, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: 2Heart ($4.8, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $4.8, SB calls, BB calls.

River: 7Diamond ($19.2, 3 players)
SB is all-in $36.49, BB calls all-in $2.83, Hero calls all-in $14.
Uncalled bets: $22.49 returned to SB. This may have been the only questionable call of the 5?? can you let this go??

Results:
Final pot: $38.86
SB shows Ah 5h


Are any of these hands bad? or can I actually hate that bitch?
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4.)NH
5.)LOL AT OPEN LIMPING, OTHER THAN THAT NH
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Triptanes, at a passive game this is fine
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I LIEKT TO ISLOLATE DEAD MONEY SRY
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Might be +EV, but it's not optimal.
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