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Posted: Thu, 21 Jul 2005, 9:58am Post subject: Discussion: 2005 WSOP Main Event - michael1123's Recap
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Two Pair

Joined: 13 May 2004
Posts: 49 WPP: 135
Location: Vienna, Austria (Europe)
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Posted: Fri, 22 Jul 2005, 6:38am Post subject:
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Radmin

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Posts: 5241 WPP: 91
Location: facebook.com/xianti
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| This is awesome, michael. Thanks for taking the time to fill us in! A great read, for sure. |
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Posted: Fri, 22 Jul 2005, 10:12am Post subject:
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Straight

Joined: 24 May 2005
Posts: 130 WPP: 100
Location: HOG HEAVEN
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ditto. thanks for writing it down.
this is good stuff. i could read these reports all day long.
so much for actually getting any work done. |
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Posted: Fri, 22 Jul 2005, 4:43pm Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 1356 WPP: 96
Location: Washington, D.C.
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| awesome report, well written and exciting. so how is greenstein's book? |
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Posted: Fri, 22 Jul 2005, 7:13pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

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The book is pretty interesting. Its not really anything like a standard poker book, as it doesn't talk about preflop hand selection or anything of the like. Its more about the psychology of poker and that type of thing. Being responsible with your money, chosing games well, what the poker community is like, etc.
It also does have some tournament hands analysed, but its really not the focus of the book.
Shockingly I showed the book to my great grandmother with the story of what happened and she read some of it and then asked to borrow it, and she's reading it like a normal book without even playing poker herself! She started to enjoy watching poker after I got into it, but its still pretty surprising that she'd be interested to read any poker book. |
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Posted: Sat, 23 Jul 2005, 4:40am Post subject:
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Strike 3

Joined: 10 Mar 2005
Posts: 725 WPP: 73
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im surprised by your hand in day 2 where you have JJ (no spades) and 3 spades with a Q come by the turn and your opp checks to you and you check behind.
my first thought would be that you almost have to bet that, but after thinking about it, its an absolutely brilliant way to play it. by checking behind and raising any possible bet he fires on the river, you definitely rep the flush. betting the turn just scares him into folding.
im really impressed with that play. im almost positive i would bet any street that was checked to me in that specific hand. |
Last edited by journey075 on Sat, 23 Jul 2005, 5:42am; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Sat, 23 Jul 2005, 4:47am Post subject:
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Administrator

Joined: 04 Dec 2003
Posts: 1748 WPP: 155
Location: on my laptop
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| I read day 1 today and it was quite a treat. I wanted to continue and read day 2 but I'll save it for tomorrrow. |
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Posted: Mon, 25 Jul 2005, 6:49am Post subject:
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Flush

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you should write books!
that was an awesome read, and very enjoyable! |
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Posted: Wed, 27 Jul 2005, 8:08pm Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 29 Apr 2004
Posts: 1064 WPP: 108
Location: San Francisco
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| Still waiting for Day 3... |
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Posted: Thu, 28 Jul 2005, 7:58am Post subject:
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Straight

Joined: 24 May 2005
Posts: 130 WPP: 100
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i am jonesin real bad for the next installment.
dude, hook us up. the withdrawals are killing me. |
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Posted: Sat, 30 Jul 2005, 4:16pm Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 11 Oct 2004
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day 3 day 3!!! excellent read, thanks for taking the time to write this michael its been great
-anto |
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Posted: Sat, 30 Jul 2005, 4:20pm Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 13 Jul 2005
Posts: 623 WPP: 92
Location: 100NL 6max
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| elanto wrote: | day 3 day 3!!! excellent read, thanks for taking the time to write this michael its been great
-anto |
I told you,  |
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Posted: Sun, 31 Jul 2005, 1:23am Post subject:
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Strike 3

Joined: 10 Apr 2005
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Location: Canadian LOLUH'S AND AMERICAN LOLUHS
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Posted: Thu, 04 Aug 2005, 12:53pm Post subject:
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Straight

Joined: 24 May 2005
Posts: 130 WPP: 100
Location: HOG HEAVEN
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| i never knew how hard it would be to wait for the next installment. however, my counselor, dr. bob, says i can do it. rehab is tough, though, i am not gonna kid ya. |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Aug 2005, 8:23pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 18 Jun 2004
Posts: 1720 WPP: 297
Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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Sorry guys, I was taking a break from poker for a while. I think playing every day for a month in Vegas burnt me out a little.
Starting day 3 now. |
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Posted: Wed, 24 Aug 2005, 11:32am Post subject:
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Straight

Joined: 24 May 2005
Posts: 130 WPP: 100
Location: HOG HEAVEN
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| michael1123 wrote: | Sorry guys, I was taking a break from poker for a while. I think playing every day for a month in Vegas burnt me out a little.
Starting day 3 now. |
when are you finishing day 3, you tease. you remind me of my first girlfriend in junior high.
have i said it before that i love to read this stuff???? thanks again michael for taking the time. |
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Posted: Fri, 26 Aug 2005, 1:46am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 18 Jun 2004
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Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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| Continuing now. Actually, the last time I wrote a good deal more than what is in the thread but the damn thing got erased, but thankfully I had copied that much down previously. I'll be careful this time and put it in a word document first. |
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Posted: Sat, 27 Aug 2005, 12:56am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Posts: 1721 WPP: 155
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| Quote: | Not too long after I arrived at that table, the first interesting hand I was involved in developed. The blinds were still 1000/2000 with 200 ante, I believe, and I did my standard 3xBB opening raise for 6k. It folded around to the BB (the man to my right, and the second biggest stack at the table) who called my raise. The flop came QJ2 rainbow, the BB checked, and I bet about 10k. The BB called rather quickly, and the turn brought another 2.
The BB then quickly bet out a big bet of at least 20k. This was a very strange play, as in this situation you'd expect that if he had a big hand he either would've check raised me on the flop, or he'd attempt to check raise me on the turn. Therefore, I felt reasonably sure I had the best hand and I called. Its not my style to reraise in spots like this where I'm reasonably sure I have the best hand, but I'm not positive, as for one, they'll probably only call if they have me beat (so I will lose more money if I'm behind), and two, it stops them from betting / bluffing more chips into me (so I'm not maximizing my profit if I'm ahead).
The river comes a complete blank, something like a 4. The BB then proceeds to make a very large bet of around 50k, and the big bet makes me think things over carefully before acting. I really don't feel he has a 2 or flopped a set or anything of that kind, as I strongly feel he would've either raised on the flop or tried to check raise on the turn. Therefore, the only hands that beat me that I felt he could have were AK and KJ, both of which still didn't seem likely at all. Again, no reason to risk chips by raising, as he won't pay me off with worse than I have. I call, and he shows KT for a busted open ended straight draw. |
I can't find your hole cards here. Did you forget to post them or am I just blind??
This is very interesting stuff by the way. I can't wait to read the rest and can't wait to hear about your tales from next year. |
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Posted: Sat, 27 Aug 2005, 7:15am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 18 Jun 2004
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Haha, sorry. KQo from UTG. I wrote that originally, but I guess I ended up writing over that or something. Edited that into the post too.
Also, humorously, I was thinking the flop was KJ2 when I wrote down the hands that'd beat me, instead of QJ2, so I wrote those down wrong. If you tried to figure out what I was holding by those, you must've been very confused. The only two hands that beat me that I thought he could have were AQ and QJ, not AK high and 2nd pair.  |
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Posted: Sat, 27 Aug 2005, 12:50pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 18 Jun 2004
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Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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| Found another error in the last post. I accidently wrote that the blinds for the last hand were 1200/1400 instead of 1200/2400, which changed what my 3xBB opening raise was, the size of the pot, and my recolection of other bets. Much more accurate now. |
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Posted: Sat, 27 Aug 2005, 1:07pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 29 Apr 2004
Posts: 1920 WPP: 121
Location: St. Louis
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| Quote: | | Sorry guys, I was taking a break from poker for a while. I think playing every day for a month in Vegas burnt me out a little. |
Liar... I see you in a MTT on Stars now. |
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Posted: Sat, 27 Aug 2005, 10:59pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 18 Jun 2004
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Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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The break is over. Needed some time off for a few weeks prior, where my poker playing time was like 1/5 of what it usually was. |
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Posted: Sat, 27 Aug 2005, 11:50pm Post subject:
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Not a thinking person

Joined: 14 Oct 2004
Posts: 2425 WPP: 138
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| Ha, I was playingsome HU on stars and I was like who would play the 5k? Sure enough u and some guy from Europe r going at it. He had some unreal hands despite ur sizable chip lead, gg. |
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Posted: Mon, 29 Aug 2005, 12:03pm Post subject:
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Straight

Joined: 24 May 2005
Posts: 130 WPP: 100
Location: HOG HEAVEN
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| michael1123 wrote: | | he has this crazy look in his eyes, like someone just shot his dog or something |
great description. i love it. |
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Posted: Mon, 29 Aug 2005, 4:21pm Post subject:
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Flush

Joined: 31 Mar 2005
Posts: 464 WPP: 122
Location: Love me for a season
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| day 3 was a fantastic read michael, as usual. UL about the hands that went down. |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Aug 2005, 11:01pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 30 Dec 2004
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Since you asked for comments on it, I like your play with the JJ hand. Given his wide calling range preflop, it's reasonable to put him on a hand that beats you, yet just as reasonable to put him on a hand you beat. I think I'd have played it the same way.
Regarding the QQ hand, I wonder if a stop-and-go wouldn't have been more effective. This is an issue I've been playing with in my mind a bit, so maybe you could give your input too: To me, calling his preflop raise and pushing on any flop (or any flop that doesn't have an A), vastly increases your chances of winning the hand. Here it would have turned the hand that ended up a coinflip into a 70/30. Sure, by the time the flop comes down clean, you want him to call as you're a huge favorite, but the pot is big enough to add substantially to your stack, so taking it down isn't bad either. I think I like this play better in this situation, since you expected a call from him either way preflop. Thoughts? |
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Posted: Thu, 01 Sep 2005, 12:13am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 18 Jun 2004
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Yeah, obviously I thought about that after I lost the hand. It could just be hindsight speaking though, as I doubt either you or me would've questioned the play had I won the race.
Also, I thought it highly likely that I dominated him. He reraised me often, and I'm certain would've played AQ, JJ, and TT the same way, if not lower pairs as well, considering that I was raising from the button and he was in the SB. Its pretty frequent that I'd raise from the button on a pure steal with that kind of stack, after it folds around.
Also, if he has a lower pocket pair and an overcard comes on the flop, that'd probably scare him off. If an A flops and he has a lower pair, I may be scared off, or at least not get his entire stack. A lot of value could be lost if I have him dominated and don't get it all in preflop.
The stop and go play would be a play I'd rather make if I was the shorter stack, and I was more sure that it was a race. I really thought that it was highly likely I dominated him here. |
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Posted: Thu, 01 Sep 2005, 9:35am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 30 Dec 2004
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| michael1123 wrote: |
Also, I thought it highly likely that I dominated him. He reraised me often, and I'm certain would've played AQ, JJ, and TT the same way, if not lower pairs as well, considering that I was raising from the button and he was in the SB. Its pretty frequent that I'd raise from the button on a pure steal with that kind of stack, after it folds around.
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This convinces me. There's definitely a better than equal chance that you could have had him dominated (rather than been in a coinflip) and a fairly low chance that you're dominated. |
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Posted: Sun, 13 Nov 2005, 10:08am Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind

Joined: 18 Sep 2005
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| Not meaning to bring up a dead topic or anything, but I've just read the whole thing through, but it's not finished? Tis a wonderful read, and I would be really interested to see how you finished. |
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Posted: Fri, 18 Nov 2005, 6:51pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind

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Posted: Sat, 19 Nov 2005, 3:29am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 18 Jun 2004
Posts: 1720 WPP: 297
Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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| Sigh ... ok, you punks. I'll do it now, and be sure to not erase everything I wrote accidently again. |
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Posted: Sun, 20 Nov 2005, 11:49am Post subject:
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Flush

Joined: 06 May 2005
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Posted: Mon, 28 Nov 2005, 3:53pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 18 Jun 2004
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If anyone didn't notice, I did finish it ...
Was the last part too corny or was there just not enough good hands to comment on? |
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Posted: Tue, 29 Nov 2005, 7:08am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 22 Jun 2005
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Posted: Tue, 29 Nov 2005, 7:42am Post subject:
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Flush

Joined: 31 Jul 2005
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| midas06 wrote: | | Great read michael. |
Well written, thanks. |
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Posted: Thu, 20 Jul 2006, 6:59pm Post subject:
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High Card

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| no dude.. all can win much money.. jejeje |
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Posted: Sat, 26 Aug 2006, 8:25pm Post subject:
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Full House

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hadnt read this until now, good read, also your p5 article was good too, pretty sick that u got more money for 135th/5500 then i did for 123/8800 this year
shows how gay and top heavy the payout structure was this year. There were alot of people complaining about it. |
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Posted: Fri, 10 Nov 2006, 4:30am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 18 Jun 2004
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Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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| maxxscam wrote: | | pretty sick that u got more money for 135th/5500 then i did for 123/8800 this year |
I thought exactly the same thing when I saw where you finished and how much you won. Really strange. Haven't had a chance to talk to you since then, big congrats on the finish, man.
But yeah, that payout structure changes are weird. It actually looks a bit flatter than the 2005 one, paying out more to people around half way through the money, probably mostly at the expense of players that finished in the 73-250 range, and then still paying out a majority of the money to the top places to attract TV ratings.
Here's a couple links comparing the structure, if you're interested:
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/event.php?a=r&n=14015
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/event.php?a=r&n=15849 |
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Posted: Thu, 16 Nov 2006, 8:10pm Post subject:
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High Card

Joined: 16 Nov 2006
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I realise this is an old thread... but at $600,000 did you consider cashing out?
Over half a million, I'd have taken the money and bought a house  |
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Posted: Thu, 16 Nov 2006, 11:22pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush

Joined: 05 Jul 2006
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| Psynz wrote: | I realise this is an old thread... but at $600,000 did you consider cashing out?
Over half a million, I'd have taken the money and bought a house | Either POTY or the dumbest thing I've ever heard |
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Posted: Fri, 17 Nov 2006, 12:22am Post subject:
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High Card

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| bigspenda73 wrote: | | Psynz wrote: | I realise this is an old thread... but at $600,000 did you consider cashing out?
Over half a million, I'd have taken the money and bought a house | Either POTY or the dumbest thing I've ever heard |
Lol, easy on... What does POTY mean?
Is it stupid because you can't cash out in tournaments? |
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Posted: Mon, 20 Nov 2006, 6:44am Post subject:
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Flush

Joined: 24 Sep 2006
Posts: 492 WPP: 41
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| Psynz wrote: | | bigspenda73 wrote: | | Psynz wrote: | I realise this is an old thread... but at $600,000 did you consider cashing out?
Over half a million, I'd have taken the money and bought a house | Either POTY or the dumbest thing I've ever heard |
Lol, easy on... What does POTY mean?
Is it stupid because you can't cash out in tournaments? |
Srsly, wtf?? I hope your not serious.
POTY= Post of the year. |
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Posted: Thu, 26 Jun 2008, 10:27pm Post subject:
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High Card

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| Thanks a lot for the insights. Great stories, interesting hands. |
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Posted: Fri, 04 Jul 2008, 12:53am Post subject:
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Radmin

Joined: 04 Dec 2003
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| Where is michael1123 posting these days? He hasn't been around here in a couple of years. Anyone have an update on michael? |
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Posted: Fri, 04 Jul 2008, 12:53am Post subject:
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2009

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Location: bluffing scare cards
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| Does he still play poker? |
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Straight Flush

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