Discuss: Online Gambling Prohibition News

It would be nice if...
1. Frist knows that this bill can't actually work, but he's doing it for the reason of getting voters and showing he has good morals.
2. Frist thinks this bill will work.... but everyone in the U.S. realizes he's an unconstitutional S.O.B. and decides to mass protest against the federal government, causing them to revoke the bill, or pass a new one legalizing it.
3. Frist thinks this Bill will work, but together NetTeller, FirePay, etc. with PokerStars, PartyPoker, etc., also with PPA, Abuse their mega billions and take it all to court and kick the governments ass!

As long as there are Americans willing to pay rake at online sites there will be a site that finds a way to take it.

Phantaroth just posted a scary article in the Gambling Prohibition News sticky. Here's the scariest part:

A lot of people on 2+2 that seem respected in their opinion think if 888 leaves Party Poker will go next...

A lot of people are reccomending cash outs...

I dunno, this might be all speculation but it is not looking good.

There's going to be a huge backlash. America won't tolerate this kind of dictatorship. It's entirely unamerican to stop people from a recreational activity of their choosing because some people "don't like" other people doing it. Bottom line it's none of their fucking business. I earn my money, and I can spend it as I choose to.

o rly?

This is entirely American. America has always been sucky.

We have forever limited our ability to be free. Ever since the Puritans and their social theocracy and the south with intense slavery, to prohibition of alcohol, war against drugs, war against porn, war against internet, war against gambling.

could bush just veto the online gambling ban part of the bill?

edit: nevermind on 2+2 they are saying he doesnt have the power to do that

so is FILL_IN_THE_BLANK + WSEX the future for online poker? what exactly does moneybookers deal with? are they all gambling like neteller or what?

My first thought about all of this was something like "what total and utter bullshit" and I really feel sorry for you guys over there - quite apart from anything else I've had real help with my poker on this site and this could degenerate in a big way if online poker in the US is somehow shutdown.

My second thought is that "this affects everybody". The major players will be changing their business strategy and this could have a huge knock-on effect for everyone. There are likely to be a lot less players - it'll be harder to find a game you want to play quickly and there will be less fish etc. As a further knock-on, this will mean either slightly larger sit down fee's or less freerolls. etc. etc. etc. I mean, really, who knows what this might mean for online poker and how it will look in years to come?

My third thought is that "your money is safe". For a start the banks have a year to comply and many have said that they can't and online sites have said that they won't. There's some mileage to go here and things are bound to change a few times so - don't panic! Furthermore, it would seem that it is payments TO the online sites that are being stopped so you'll still be able to cash your money out, again - don't panic.

Fnord, think of it this way. If 5 million American adults make it VERY clear that they will not be voting Republican in the next election, things might change.

So, let me get this straight. Let's say a congressman had a bill which required every US citizen to smear themselves in excrement every Tuesday lunchtime. Could they then attach it to a "free cute kittens for all American children" bill and get it through that way?

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Thinking about this more, really the best that comes out of it is that Online Poker won't be "Grey"-market anymore. It will go through the courts and I think round 2 in congress is inevitable.

Best case, it comes out legal and compeition drives down the rake as the big players enter the show.

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The real test of this issue is "Does this make the cover of the next issue of Newsweek, Time, etc.?" I guess that's where the real debate begins.

Do Americans believe that it's ok for 2 adults to wager money online over the outcome of cards? Considering it's the same idiots who think it's wrong to trade money for sex or put just about whatever you want into your own body and hap-harzardly trade liberty for "security" it will be interesting to watch...

I was assuming that 5 million Americans gamble online as a conservative effort. In fact, it's more like 8 million according to this article:

http://www.americangaming.org/Press/speeches/speeches_detail.cfv?ID=397

(and yes, even if 50% of them voted democrat already it's still a big number when elections are won by 0.1%. Anyway - Republican voters tend to be big on small govt, personal freedom etc. so I would have thought that they would be MOST upset by the govt's invasion of their rights.)

This is some bad news to wake up to........

bye bye PartyPoker

Can somone explain to me why the actual gambling sites like Party and Stars are freaking out? From what I can tell, U.S. law does not directly affect them at all. The only affected parties are banks, transaction systems like neteller, and the players who do the transferring. Unless I'm missing something, Party has no legal obligation to force its U.S. players to stop playing.

Secondly,
http://www.gambling911.com/Party-Gaming-Poker-Stars-100206.html

Just a stupid question I'm sure, but what's the chance that these sites are banning americans so quick to get the uproar happening before it's too late. Could they just be afraid if they wait things could get worse. Is it a form of getting the players to organize and feel the effects of the possible ban while there is still time to do something about it. A short term hit for soem longer time gain.

Still think 9/11 was just an attack by terrorists.

Just my conspiracy mind acting up again.

This sucks a lot. But, now comes the personal responsibility part of the debate. This type of thing has been happening for a long long time in the US. The trading of personal liberties for magic beans because a politician screams "won't someone pleeeeaaase think of the children".

What have you, as americans, done to stop this. You may (or may not) have voted. Good for you. That is one small part of what must be done when your freedoms are being systematically attacked. The time to stop this type of thing from happening is long past. It should have happened some time before the illegal wiretapping of american citizens by the government. It should have happened before the US started holding POW's as 'detainees" and torturing them.

Even if it didn't happen before these things, action needed to be taken once these things were brought to light. What did the average american citizen do when they heard that their government was spying on them and recording their conversations, and that the large telecommunications companies were cooperating? nadda.

What did you do when you learned that your government was illegally holding and torturing prisoners of war.... again, not a god damn thing.

This is just the last in a long list of freedoms that have been lost in the US, and this is what sparks uproar?????

The fact that you may not be able to play poker anymore. Not torture, not wiretapping, not any of the other horrible things that your government has done in the name of whatever the fuck they do things in the name of.

I realize that this strikes close to home as we are all poker players here, so this affects us more personally. but we are all freedom loving people too, so i would hope that one of the previous aggressive acts by your government would have spurred you to action so that things did not get this far.

But, as it stands, there seems to be no stopping the fear mongering biggots in the american government, because nobody wants to get off of their asses and do something about it.

If this assault on YOUR personal liberties actually makes you get out of your chair and become politically active, then maybe this is a good thing. Maybe you can then continue to be active and attempt to stop your elected officials from destroying the world.

that is all

That is just fucking stupid.

You cannot possibly support the unlawful holding of suspects, and then say the government can't ban poker.

If you want to give the government the right to tell the rest of the world to fuck off, and ignore prisoners rights, then I hope you don't expect them to uphold your right to play poker anytime ever.

There are lots of people like geoffm33 ... that's what allows our government to arbitrarily violate our liberity and the constitution in the name of security (and via the method of coercian by fear). We live in a country full of fascists.

Not my fault.

pgil, I see where you're coming from with the "where is the action" mentality, but the problem isn't that nobody is pissed off -- plenty of peole are. It's that they don't know what to do about it.

Problem is, members of our current federal government offices get their ideas more from Mussolini than from Rand.

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You know what would stop a lot of killings...?

A curfew... GOOD IDEA!

You know for sure the world's gone made when people start quoting Rand other than in the "haha look what the stupid woman said" thread.

This is a thread on the gambling prohibition itself, not an analysis on the downward spiral of American gov't on a whole. Can we mod this (or police ourselves) before this comes another anti-american sentiment thread?

And yes, pgil, I know many of your complaints/points have good foundations - but we're way off topic Sad

PS, why is this in Commune, the home of non-poker miscellany?

Isn't the essence of the new legislation to stop un-licenced gambling sites? Why doesn't one of the big casinos in Vegas start a poker site that gives the Gov a cut of the rake? Or can't a site get a US licence?

Am I not off base here in the fact that the Senators were, and I may misqouote," afraid to vote NO" because of the thoughts put forth that these sites could be used to launder money for terroist organizations. If any of that is true, do you not start seeing the connections to every major event in the last 5 years. Other "communities" have had to deal with this already. Poker is just the next step. this is about control. It's about the red, white and blue machine. Not the average american. But corporations, Polititions, governmens. americans have been too happy,like geoffm33 as an example, all in the name of al quida you and other countries are getting raped and if it stops terrorism, it's fine.

Think about what's next. It's poker now, that's only the start. You gave up your freedom in the homeland security act or whatever the fuck it's called.

Is there anyway a mod could split this thread to put the political stuff in a seperste one? We kinda got off track Very Happy

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