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Posted: Wed, 04 Oct 2006, 11:36pm Post subject:
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The Greatest American Hero
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PokerStars has not made an official statement yet.
The only thing we have to go on right now is Lee Jones posting at 2+2 that they are continuing with business as usual until further notice.
Keep checking our list:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/forum/poker-44471.htm
I will make sure it's updated with all the latest. If you don't see a poker room in that list, it's because they have not announced anything either way. |
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Posted: Wed, 04 Oct 2006, 11:46pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Xianti wrote: | PokerStars has not made an official statement yet.
The only thing we have to go on right now is Lee Jones posting at 2+2 that they are continuing with business as usual until further notice.
Keep checking our list:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/forum/poker-44471.htm
I will make sure it's updated with all the latest. If you don't see a poker room in that list, it's because they have not announced anything either way. |
thanks. i guess maybe that list is for rooms that have stated that they won't ban Americans no matter what. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Oct 2006, 9:43am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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| martindcx1e wrote: |
thanks. i guess maybe that list is for rooms that have stated that they won't ban Americans no matter what. |
That can't possibly be true. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Oct 2006, 12:23pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | martindcx1e wrote: |
thanks. i guess maybe that list is for rooms that have stated that they won't ban Americans no matter what. |
That can't possibly be true. |
what and why? there are rooms who have stated that they will not be banning americans |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Oct 2006, 3:06pm Post subject:
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One Pair
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| All the rooms that say they are not goona ban americans have not said that for sure they all say we are looking at it and we think they cant do this. key word being (THINK) |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Oct 2006, 3:13pm Post subject:
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The Greatest American Hero
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Posted: Thu, 05 Oct 2006, 3:40pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| why on earth would sites block withdrawals and block players from even playing when neither breaks any laws? |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Oct 2006, 3:55pm Post subject:
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The Greatest American Hero
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| martindcx1e wrote: | | why on earth would sites block withdrawals and block players from even playing when neither breaks any laws? |
Some insight from Bugsys Club:
In my opinion the public companies really have little choice. They have to somehow protect the investors. If they blatantly ignore this situation the investors and markets may not be too pleased. In our case we only have to satisfy our customers, and that is exactly what we intend doing.
Luck Bugsy
Source:
http://www.bugsysclub.com/club/community/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4339 |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Oct 2006, 4:20pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| so investors would get nervous even if the sites are doing nothing wrong? sounds like some pretty lame investors. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Oct 2006, 5:03pm Post subject:
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Flush
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If you play on Titan Poker they are about to stop serving US customers.
Check the news thread for the actual text.
You can still withdraw your money.
Whoops. Srry. |
Last edited by Phantaroth on Thu, 05 Oct 2006, 5:19pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Thu, 05 Oct 2006, 5:15pm Post subject:
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The Greatest American Hero
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Posted: Thu, 05 Oct 2006, 5:37pm Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
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| martindcx1e wrote: | | so investors would get nervous even if the sites are doing nothing wrong? sounds like some pretty lame investors. |
A publicly traded company's first responsibility is to its shareholders and to protect shareholder value. The capital markets hate uncertainty, so it is more prudent for Party and the like to pull out of the US temporarily and possibly permanently until they know what business environment they may or may not be able to operate in in the future. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Oct 2006, 5:57pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Warpe wrote: | | martindcx1e wrote: | | so investors would get nervous even if the sites are doing nothing wrong? sounds like some pretty lame investors. |
A publicly traded company's first responsibility is to its shareholders and to protect shareholder value. The capital markets hate uncertainty, so it is more prudent for Party and the like to pull out of the US temporarily and possibly permanently until they know what business environment they may or may not be able to operate in in the future. |
i don't know anything really about stocks/investors/etc. but it just sounds like investors are pretty flaky and quick to jump to conclusions after hearing all this. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Oct 2006, 5:59pm Post subject:
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The Greatest American Hero
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| You have a few hundred or a few thousand in your poker accounts. Investors have millions on the line. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Oct 2006, 7:00pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Xianti wrote: | | You have a few hundred or a few thousand in your poker accounts. Investors have millions on the line. |
maybe they shouldn't be investing with the money if it's that important to them. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Oct 2006, 8:54pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| martindcx1e wrote: | | maybe they shouldn't be investing with the money if it's that important to them. |
And the fact that they're choosing not to is the reason the reason poker sites saw their stock prices go down. I can't tell what your point is. Are you really saying that if somone thinks PartyPoker is too risky of an investment, then they're cowards and shouldn't be investing at all (even in safe investments that give you a guaranteed 7% per year)? |
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Posted: Fri, 06 Oct 2006, 2:52am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| mcatdog wrote: | | martindcx1e wrote: | | maybe they shouldn't be investing with the money if it's that important to them. |
And the fact that they're choosing not to is the reason the reason poker sites saw their stock prices go down. I can't tell what your point is. Are you really saying that if somone thinks PartyPoker is too risky of an investment, then they're cowards and shouldn't be investing at all (even in safe investments that give you a guaranteed 7% per year)? |
i guess i just don't understand why investors get rattled so easily when the company has done nothing wrong. |
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Posted: Sun, 08 Oct 2006, 4:53pm Post subject:
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Flush
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This protest might not be a good idea...
A couple days notice = low turn out...
It won't hurt, but I wanted a big turnout for the first protest to gain massive media attention. This will probley be small.
Also someone should run a 10$ MTT infront of the whitehouse. |
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Posted: Mon, 09 Oct 2006, 4:13pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| Phantaroth wrote: |
We have forever limited our ability to be free. Ever since the Puritans and their social theocracy and the south with intense slavery, to prohibition of alcohol, war against drugs, war against porn, war against internet, war against gambling. |
lol |
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Posted: Mon, 09 Oct 2006, 4:17pm Post subject:
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Two Pair
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Posted: Mon, 09 Oct 2006, 8:24pm Post subject:
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Full House
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Posted: Tue, 10 Oct 2006, 12:04am Post subject:
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Flush
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| Rockymv wrote: | | Phantaroth wrote: |
We have forever limited our ability to be free. Ever since the Puritans and their social theocracy and the south with intense slavery, to prohibition of alcohol, war against drugs, war against porn, war against internet, war against gambling. |
lol |
funny why?
elaborate |
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Posted: Tue, 10 Oct 2006, 9:18am Post subject:
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Full House
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| Yeah, I also didn't see why that was funny. |
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Posted: Tue, 10 Oct 2006, 3:11pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| wow noone seems to care about FirePay's decision |
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Posted: Tue, 10 Oct 2006, 4:18pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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| fuck firepay and there $10 fees |
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Posted: Tue, 10 Oct 2006, 9:15pm Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
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Posted: Wed, 11 Oct 2006, 6:34pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Hurrah for Stars & Neteller having a backbone!!! |
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Posted: Thu, 12 Oct 2006, 12:31am Post subject:
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Two Pair
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bottom line is every player not playing "high stakes" including myself will be happy to see their only poker action at their local home game once a week.
seeing as it will be literally impossible to move money online. |
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Posted: Thu, 12 Oct 2006, 2:11am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| scarface737 wrote: | bottom line is every player not playing "high stakes" including myself will be happy to see their only poker action at their local home game once a week.
seeing as it will be literally impossible to move money online. |
| martindcx1e wrote: | | Hurrah for Stars & Neteller having a backbone!!! |
Also, I'm surprised at the lack of responses/enthusiasm about those recent news items. |
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Posted: Thu, 12 Oct 2006, 4:07am Post subject:
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Crazy Canadian Courtiebwnage
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| I was pretty happy to hear about it. I am waiting to see how hard it is to deposit and how much the fishiness decreases before I start jumping for joy though. I love Stars and hope all the fish find a way to play there and reload there over and over again. |
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Posted: Thu, 12 Oct 2006, 6:40am Post subject:
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11 OF DIAMONDS
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Dear PokerStars Player,
We received an email from you during the last two weeks inquiring about PokerStars' position with regards to the recently enacted Internet Gambling Act.
PokerStars has received extensive expert advice from within and outside the U.S. which concluded that these provisions do not alter the U.S. legal situation with respect to online poker. Furthermore it is important to emphasize that the Act does not in any way prohibit you from playing online poker.
Therefore, our business continues as before - open to players worldwide including the US. You may play on our site as you did prior to the Act.
PokerStars believes that poker is a game of skill enjoyed by millions of players and we remain committed to providing you a safe and fun environment in which to play. We value your loyalty to PokerStars, and look forward to continuing to serve you with the best online poker experience, as we have for the past five years, six billion hands, and 40 million tournaments.
PokerStars Management
Not sure if someone already posted something similar... if so sorry.. but just made me happy this morning. |
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Posted: Thu, 12 Oct 2006, 10:21am Post subject:
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Full House
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| martindcx1e wrote: | | Also, I'm surprised at the lack of responses/enthusiasm about those recent news items. |
I would have been enthused, except that I didn't even hear about this recent news item until I just read it here a few minutes ago. For some reason FTR marked the announcements thread as if I had already read all of it when in fact I missed the last two posts in that thread...must have something to do with gaming forum posts being split from other forums. |
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Posted: Thu, 12 Oct 2006, 10:48am Post subject:
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Flush
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YEAH STARS! I was looking for the announcement yesterday but didn't see it until this morning. They will figure out a way for players to move cash with the law change; if any site can do it, it will be Stars.
Now as long as the fish follow for the limit games, life is grand... |
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Posted: Thu, 12 Oct 2006, 4:01pm Post subject:
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Full House
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I havent read all the posts here but i assume everyone's aware that the new law simply prohibits funding illegal internet gambling sites - and the only internet gambling currently illegal by US law is sports betting.
not sure why par.ty poker said they are pulling out of US, but on-line poker is not illegal under 1961 wire act, therefore neither is funding it....
the new law doesn't make anything illegal that wasnt illegal before - it simply stops funding of activities that were already illegal - and that's only sports betting. |
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Posted: Thu, 12 Oct 2006, 7:30pm Post subject:
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Strike 3
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| Rondavu wrote: | | If we fight to make poker legal again, can we attach prostitution as well? Also, drying up a plant and smoking it. | I would like that because I am a libertarian, but let's focus on one issue at a time XD
Now if we attached ALL of those to "fight terrorism" bill, they'd pass in an instant. |
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Posted: Fri, 13 Oct 2006, 12:04am Post subject:
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Full House
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| konahead wrote: | I havent read all the posts here but i assume everyone's aware that the new law simply prohibits funding illegal internet gambling sites - and the only internet gambling currently illegal by US law is sports betting.
not sure why par.ty poker said they are pulling out of US, but on-line poker is not illegal under 1961 wire act, therefore neither is funding it....
the new law doesn't make anything illegal that wasnt illegal before - it simply stops funding of activities that were already illegal - and that's only sports betting. |
Under this thought process, perhaps the sites might close for a while to see what the precedents look like and then open back up? But I'm no lawyer. |
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Posted: Fri, 13 Oct 2006, 12:14am Post subject:
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Full House
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The precedent (1999 - Mastercard vs re) is a federal circuit court case where a number of on-line poker players (33 i believe) racked up huge Mastercard bills then said they wouldn't pay because Mastercard shouldn't have been funding an illegal activity. Mastercard sued and the court said the 1961 Wire Act only applies to sports betting and doesn't prohibit on-line poker - and therefore they had to pay their Mastercard bills. So - the courts have already ruled that internet poker is not illegal in the US - and a higher court would have to change that ruling for poker to be illegal.
The result was Mastercard and Visa stopped the process of funding gambling sites - but not because the court told them to. In fact it was just the opposite - but they chose to err on the cautious side going forward. Which is exactly what the poker sites are doing now. Erring on the cautious side. |
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Posted: Fri, 13 Oct 2006, 4:14pm Post subject:
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Full House
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looks like Ongame is pulling out as well,
[url]http://www.Bwin.ag/page.aspx?view=adhocb_13_10_06[/url]
my top sites to play at: party, Empire, Paradise, hollywood,pokerrom will no longer be accepting us players for real money.
no official word from PokerRoom/hollywood, but it is a part of the Ongame network and looks like Ongame is going to stop. |
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Posted: Fri, 13 Oct 2006, 5:19pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| TerryToma wrote: | looks like Ongame is pulling out as well,
[url]http://www.Bwin.ag/page.aspx?view=adhocb_13_10_06[/url]
my top sites to play at: party, Empire, Paradise, hollywood,pokerrom will no longer be accepting us players for real money.
no official word from PokerRoom/hollywood, but it is a part of the Ongame network and looks like Ongame is going to stop. |
ya same here about my top sites. one thing that's confusing though is fcp has said that they aren't going anywhere. |
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Posted: Mon, 16 Oct 2006, 8:06pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Anyone else think it's funny that USA Poker and America's Card Room will no longer be accepting Americans? |
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Posted: Tue, 17 Oct 2006, 12:21am Post subject:
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Full House
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There are huge misconceptions being posted here, and misunderstanding by most of the poker sites (poker.stars excluded - at least they understand it.) The other sites are just caving to the big bad monster USA, because they know the INTENT of the law, even though it doesn't accomplish what it's being billed as.
The law doesnt make anything new illegal - it simply prevents financial transactions on currently "illegal internet gambling". And it seems to be misunderstood by most - the only internet gambling currently illegal under federal law IS SPORTS BETTING. I cant overemphasize this enough. On-line poker, and funding/financing on-line poker, is NOT ILLEGAL (unless you live in Washington state - then it sucks to be you cuz its a felony!).
Why do you think the only two arrests in the US have been sports book owners? Throughout the new law, it continually states that it doesn't expand the scope of "illegal internet gambling", it merely states you cannot perform financial transactions on currently illegal internet gambling.
I strongly suggest you read the attached articles:
federal law - http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_law/article/1446
state law - http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_law/article/1471 |
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Posted: Tue, 17 Oct 2006, 12:29pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| kona, I don't think you needed to post that three times. The articles you attached were already posted in the announcements section a while ago, and I think most people are already aware that the law doesn't change the legality of playing online, but is only an enforcement measure. |
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Posted: Tue, 17 Oct 2006, 3:35pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| konahead wrote: | | There are huge misconceptions being posted here |
By whom? I think most of us understand what the law means. |
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Posted: Wed, 18 Oct 2006, 10:42am Post subject:
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Full House
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Because it seems like everyone is discussing the "enforcement method" as if it applies to on-line poker - when it doesn't. I havent read anything about the fact that NONE of the law applies to us. And why has FTR stopped providing links to poker sites? Sorry, but I havent seen any discussions that dont imply that the law is applicable here. Seems like everyone is ignoring this fact.
I'll stop discussing it since you all are already familiar with it (even though no one talks about this aspect.) lol |
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Posted: Wed, 18 Oct 2006, 2:07pm Post subject:
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Administrator
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| konahead wrote: | | And why has FTR stopped providing links to poker sites? |
konahead, Do you have specific examples? As far as I know we have not stopped providing links to external sites.
As has been pointed out in another thread we have plenty of links to external sites here: http://www.flopturnriver.com/reviews/Online-Poker-Rooms.php |
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Posted: Wed, 18 Oct 2006, 2:28pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| And there's also a rotating banner ad for poker rooms at the top of the forum pages. |
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Posted: Wed, 18 Oct 2006, 3:49pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Posted: Wed, 18 Oct 2006, 3:55pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| my bad - guess I'm the confused one. |
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Posted: Wed, 18 Oct 2006, 4:13pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| konahead wrote: | | my bad - guess I'm the confused one. |
lol it's cool man. at least you are fired up about poker  |
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Posted: Sun, 22 Oct 2006, 4:44am Post subject:
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Full House
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so reading on 2p2 it seems there was an announcement by neteller alluding to the fact they may comply with us regulations when they are finally drafted. the posters over there were flipping out a bit saying neteller is gonna shut out US players eventually. the way i read the statement it seemed pretty vanilla and nothing really to worry about, more to just placate the shareholders for now.
also illinois seems to be one of the states that is on the list of states that poker rooms reject when they go by a state by state basis. i live in illinois, should i pay my state taxes? will they report it to the state govt? ive never heard of anyone getting in trouble for online poker.. i know the IRS doesnt care how you make your $$ and they arent supposed to tip of the feds.. but havent heard about state income taxes..
anyways. im back playing, missed it too much. withdrew my roll and redeposited 750$ and starting a new roll from that. i am missing the Ongame network and juicy bonuses a lot though  .
thoughts? |
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