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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 12:57pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Phantaroth wrote: | Is there anyway a mod could split this thread to put the political stuff in a seperste one? We kinda got off track  |
No, everyone stay on the topic, or shut the hell up. The topic is inately political, but keep it on the issue. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 1:04pm Post subject:
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Eats babies
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I athink you guys claiming to stay on topic are missing the point. I'm not trying to start a fight but this whole thread has been on topic. If you fail to remember past mistakes, history is bound to repeat itself.
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 1:17pm Post subject:
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| Phantaroth wrote: | | Is there anyway a mod could split this thread to put the political stuff in a seperste one? We kinda got off track |
WTF are you talking about? The poker issue is political.
| biondino wrote: | | You know for sure the world's gone made when people start quoting Rand other than in the "haha look what the stupid woman said" thread. |
I hope you're not serious |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 1:20pm Post subject:
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| AvatarKava wrote: | | PS, why is this in Commune, the home of non-poker miscellany? |
This issue is bigger than just one specific topic and affects everyone here--poker players, casino gamers, and sports bettors. It affects our entire Community. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 1:25pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| If we fight to make poker legal again, can we attach prostitution as well? Also, drying up a plant and smoking it. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 1:27pm Post subject:
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Rondavu I only meant that there was a lot of general political chatter in here dealing with other political issues and perhaps some people would rather come to this thread exclusively for talk about the political issue of poker.
Did not mean any offense to anyone. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 1:31pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Phantaroth wrote: | Rondavu I only meant that there was a lot of general political chatter in here dealing with other political issues and perhaps some people would rather come to this thread exclusively for talk about the political issue of poker.
Did not mean any offense to anyone. |
Everyone's a little edgy. I understand. I just think objectivism in general really gets to the root of the problem of government erasing our individual rights and freedoms based on a higher "good". |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 1:31pm Post subject:
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so far it looks like publicly traded companies based in UK/Ireland are booting US players ...while others havent said anything and probably will resume business as usual ....
*slowly moving money to Full Tilt" |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 1:34pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
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| Xianti wrote: | | AvatarKava wrote: | | PS, why is this in Commune, the home of non-poker miscellany? |
This issue is bigger than just one specific topic and affects everyone here--poker players, casino gamers, and sports bettors. It affects our entire Community. |
who the poop cares what folder this is filed under?
| Rondavu wrote: | | Phantaroth wrote: | Rondavu I only meant that there was a lot of general political chatter in here dealing with other political issues and perhaps some people would rather come to this thread exclusively for talk about the political issue of poker.
Did not mean any offense to anyone. |
Everyone's a little edgy. I understand. I just think objectivism in general really gets to the root of the problem of government erasing our individual rights and freedoms based on a higher "good". |
The scope of Governmental power and just what sorts of financial transactions are allowed between two consenting adults is very much at issue. Perhaps this little intrusion on liberty will get more people thinking about the bigger picture. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 1:35pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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| Rondavu wrote: | | Phantaroth wrote: | | Is there anyway a mod could split this thread to put the political stuff in a seperste one? We kinda got off track |
WTF are you talking about? The poker issue is political.
| biondino wrote: | | You know for sure the world's gone made when people start quoting Rand other than in the "haha look what the stupid woman said" thread. |
I hope you're not serious |
Was your edit to tone down your response? Yes, of course I'm serious. Just because she's perceived by some as intellectual doesn't mean she wasn't batshit insane. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 1:40pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
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| biondino wrote: | | Just because she's perceived by some as intellectual doesn't mean she wasn't batshit insane. |
Her sanity is irrelevent. The truth stands on its own merits and attacking the messenger is an act of evasion. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 1:41pm Post subject:
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| Biondino, this is neither the time or place for this discussion. Of course I entirely disagree with you. Some of her ideas were wrong. Most were genius. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 1:41pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| gambling frays the fabric of society |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 1:48pm Post subject:
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| Rondavu wrote: | | Biondino, this is neither the time or place for this discussion. Of course I entirely disagree with you. Some of her ideas were wrong. Most were genius. |
maybe, but she was still as nutty as a fruitcake  |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 2:11pm Post subject:
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I think some people are missing the point here. The USA is about freedom and civil liberties. This poker ban is just another addition to the long list of increased control and the slow movement to a fascist society. You can laugh at this, but you should really pay attention.
Most of you are young and have not grasped the importance of being involved with State and Federal government. In fact people today don't get involved and because of this, the government has taken advantage of us. They know that nobody will ask questions or cause a big stink. They know that people just want to make their money go home and eat potato chips while they watch TV.
All I can say is that we need to wake up and take back control. We should be asking what we can do to overturn or prevent this. If we don’t, the next thing you know, we all will be required to wear grey and white uniforms, be indoors before 1900, say only good things about civil servants, ask for permission and present photo IDs to military personnel when crossing from one state to another, and only watch government regulated and operated news.
Oh and geoffm33, you should care and worry about the government listening to your phone conversations. Yea, they are trying to find terrorist, but are they really? You give them an inch and they will take a mile. Never ever just accept what you are being told. The whole fact that they decided to do this without seeking legal approval makes me wonder about the whole thing. Bottom line, question everything!
Sprayed for President 2008! |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 2:20pm Post subject:
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Eats babies
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| Sprayed wrote: | I think some people are missing the point here. The USA is about freedom and civil liberties. This poker ban is just another addition to the long list of increased control and the slow movement to a fascist society. You can laugh at this, but you should really pay attention.
Most of you are young and have not grasped the importance of being involved with State and Federal government. In fact people today don't get involved and because of this, the government has taken advantage of us. They know that nobody will ask questions or cause a big stink. They know that people just want to make their money go home and eat potato chips while they watch TV.
All I can say is that we need to wake up and take back control. We should be asking what we can do to overturn or prevent this. If we don’t, the next thing you know, we all will be required to wear grey and white uniforms, be indoors before 1900, say only good things about civil servants, ask for permission and present photo IDs to military personnel when crossing from one state to another, and only watch government regulated and operated news.
Oh and geoffm33, you should care and worry about the government listening to your phone conversations. Yea, they are trying to find terrorist, but are they really? You give them an inch and they will take a mile. Never ever just accept what you are being told. The whole fact that they decided to do this without seeking legal approval makes me wonder about the whole thing. Bottom line, question everything!
Sprayed for President 2008! | Alot of people will wrongfully laugh at this. If you think it's funny, your in a dream state. You think all these communist countries just up and took over. A little at a time and then BAM! Joe America says "what happened". they were trying to find terrorists. And now I have to go to court for a phone conversation, but I thought they were wire tapping terrorists. I just wanted to buy some weed. Just wait. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 2:54pm Post subject:
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Its true our country is stealing our freedom in the name of freedom??WTF? There is no need to wiretap peoples phones when its clear that person is AMERICAN born and raised,so why the need to spy on us? Is it really that hard for them to find all these imigrants with fake passports ?Hell no its not! For being the most advanced nation in the world it should be damn easy.
I was also wondering wtf poker has to do with the WAR ON TERROR thats just funny, while we spend time and money on iraq and passing bills that rob the true americans The crazy little iran basterds are building a NUKE! Wait wasnt that why we attacked iraq hmmmmm. Iraq is just Bush jr trying to outdo his big eared dad. In the long run the commies that come from texas will fade into history as being some of the dumbest presidents this country ever had ( not all texans are bad just the bush's lol).
Well this smashes any hopes of me ever getting any kind of money just be a slave for the gov working my life away. I had been putting money won on the poker sites into wildlife conservation so for them to say no good things came from poker playing is a damb lie many endagered animals where saved with some of that money.
I myself Vow to fight this act with all my power i will not stand around doing nothing while them rich basterds in the congress Try to tell us the working people how to live our lives any longer. Thanks for all the poker strats on the site and hope to be able to play online with you all again one of these years. PEACE |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 3:19pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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so everyone move to less technologically advanced banks and we're fine?? |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 3:47pm Post subject:
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| geoffm33 wrote: | | pgil wrote: |
What did the average american citizen do when they heard that their government was spying on them and recording their conversations, and that the large telecommunications companies were cooperating? nadda.
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Me? I slept better that night knowing that my govt was being pro-active in seeking out terrorists. No, I do not care that they can hear me ordering a pizza or talking with my friends. Not that I actually think they are.
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What did you do when you learned that your government was illegally holding and torturing prisoners of war.... again, not a god damn thing.
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Unfortunately, this is the mentality that allows these things to happen. It is amazing how many people are completely clueless as to what goes on in the real world. It can be difficult for people to see why privacy matters, when it doesn't affect them. Once their life is destroyed or someone close to them has their life destroyed because they were perceived as a threat to someone, then maybe they'll understand. (I'm talking about any kind of threat, wether it be related to business, politics, or simply knowing about some horrible act committed by someone with power.) |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 3:58pm Post subject:
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Full House
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Wow, just saw the news on myspace, I stopped playing online totally but know it would be a huge hit to some of you guys here.
Best of luck to the FTR pros... |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 4:06pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Fnord wrote: | | biondino wrote: | | Just because she's perceived by some as intellectual doesn't mean she wasn't batshit insane. |
Her sanity is irrelevent. The truth stands on its own merits and attacking the messenger is an act of evasion. |
Fnord, considering we're talking about a philosophical visionary (I use that word in a neutral context) who actually *developed* these ideas I think the messenger and the message are one and the same. Obviously I disagree with a lot of Rand's tenets but either way, declaring them as "truth" is just full-on wrong.
But as Rondavu says, this isn't the time or place. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 4:16pm Post subject:
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| what common deposit/withdrawal methods are expected to be completely safe? neteller/firepay deal almost exclusively in gambling transfers correct? what other options don't deal with gambling exclusively? moneybookers? click2pay? how do you find this out? |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 4:34pm Post subject:
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| biondino wrote: | | Fnord, considering we're talking about a philosophical visionary (I use that word in a neutral context) who actually *developed* these ideas I think the messenger and the message are one and the same. Obviously I disagree with a lot of Rand's tenets but either way, declaring them as "truth" is just full-on wrong. |
The great part about her philosophy is that it's not based on a leap of faith embracing absurd assertions. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 5:07pm Post subject:
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there is something to the government wanting to prevent unlawful use of offshore gambling sites to launder money. when i opened an account at PokerShare, i deposited $1k and won about $7k in the first couple of days. they froze my account and i had to get my Rakeback contact to help intervene on my behalf. basically, they thought people were chip dumping, which is in essence transferring money illegally. i got it straightened out after i told them i was actually just a baller, but there is a real need for security on that front. i can see how it would be a tremendously easy way for terrorists to fund each other abroad, with very little effort. and i can also see why this alarms people.
that being said, that is why gov't regulation of U.S. gambling offers more protection without infringing on our rights. i am hoping for the bigger gambling corps in the U.S. to seize the moment and start pushing for legislation that legitimizes online gambling here. then the whole offshore funding issue is really moot. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 5:08pm Post subject:
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couldnt we just mail cash into them? they should allow that since the US couldnt find out.
and i heard that companies in antigua like WSEX and FullTilt i think will still be around because the world trade organization told the US they couldnt not allow US citizens to play in companies based in antigua or something? |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 5:38pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| lol, according to pokersitescout.com, the poker sites are getting close to record traffic on their sites. not sure if people are getting their last hurrah, dont know the news yet, dont care, or what. But I definitely feel like I'm missing out. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 5:39pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
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| The couple times I dropped in this weekend the PS 200NL 6-max wasn't very good. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 5:42pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| Fnord wrote: | | The couple times I dropped in this weekend the PS 200NL 6-max wasn't very good. |
ah, makes me feel better.. plus i'm too distracted right now to play winning poker. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 6:36pm Post subject:
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| Fnord wrote: | | The couple times I dropped in this weekend the PS 200NL 6-max wasn't very good. |
Just played a long session of Party 50NL FR and there were plenty of fish. Probably euros though, since it's night time over there. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 6:39pm Post subject:
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The great part about her philosophy is that it's not based on a leap of faith embracing absurd assertions.
No, it's based on the easiest, laziest and most base of philosophies, selfishness. I'd rather have a care for the welfare of others, thanks. BUT this thread isn't about individual politics so let's leave it, okay? |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 6:50pm Post subject:
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| I have the latest news to report. It turns out Bill and I are in this together. Once online gamgling is banned all you high stakes ballers will be reduced to nothing more than computer nerds. Then I will rule the forums and people will love me. I have dreamed of this day for so long. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 7:33pm Post subject:
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| zook wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | The couple times I dropped in this weekend the PS 200NL 6-max wasn't very good. |
Just played a long session of Party 50NL FR and there were plenty of fish. Probably euros though, since it's night time over there. |
i dont know if its just me , but it seems like theres a huge influx of european players recently ....i sat in a 100NL table today and there were a ton of german , aussie, swedish players ...and only one other US player playing .... this was during the day tho.. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 8:25pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| not confirmed by me, but party has cutoff transferring money to other accounts, if that impacts anyone. my money is out. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 10:11pm Post subject:
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| Greedo017 wrote: | | not confirmed by me, but party has cutoff transferring money to other accounts, if that impacts anyone. my money is out. |
confirmed , i tried about an hour ago and got this
| Quote: | Dear xxxx
Sorry, your request to transfer money is not been approved by our system. This is because:
!PARTY_ACCOUNT_interaccounttransfer_transfermoneyrejected_UserFromUSNotAllowed! | |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 10:13pm Post subject:
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| player-to-player transfers, right? Not cash outs... right? |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 10:18pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| Xianti wrote: | | player-to-player transfers, right? Not cash outs... right? |
I read on 2p2 its only player-to-player transfers... |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 10:19pm Post subject:
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Straight
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| Xianti wrote: | | player-to-player transfers, right? Not cash outs... right? |
yea , player to player ...i cashed out at around the same time with no probs.. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Oct 2006, 10:35pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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| Poker Players are losing and we can't let this happen. |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Oct 2006, 12:24am Post subject:
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What is really sad is that in a month people will forget about this issue and will not recall it until something directly affects them. People just do not have great attention spans.
Honestly, having this hit Newsweek would probably hurt us more than anything. How many people do not even know that online poker is only quasi legal? They, most people, do not contemplate such issues and Newsweek will force them to. No more impulse buy ins after running well at your home game, playing deuces wild. Lastly, in some ways I believe the gaming websites are over reacting their stocks will rebound tomorrow or within a week. Lastly, Harrahs just got a buy out offer at a 20% premium so I think they are sitting pretty.
P.S when the gamming websites tank even more you can quote me and laugh at me. |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Oct 2006, 12:33am Post subject:
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Full House
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the article xianti just posted is incredibly optimistic, and has confirmed some of my recent thoughts.
IMO, we will see harrah's . com within 3 years, probably sooner. |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Oct 2006, 1:19am Post subject:
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A private consortium just made a bid to buy up Harrah's. Harrah's stock went up something like $9 a share today.
If a private company could take over Harrah's, then they could be a candidate to purchase any of the poker sites out there and re-introduce that operation to the US customers. They could push for proper regulation of the industry.
One of the reasons this bill passed is the casino lobby. Both the Nevada senators (one Dem, one Repub) said they would vote YES on this bill if it came to a vote. They are in the casino company's pockets, believe me.
So now if these casino companies can get involved in online poker, they will do so and they will have the political clout to get whatever legislation passed they need to open it back up to US customers. |
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| so when is bush going to officially sign this? |
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Partison bullshit from the other side. |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Oct 2006, 5:16pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 28 Nov 2004
Posts: 637
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Location: Location: Location
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I like this guy:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6b7_h_OyTI0
I definitely wouldn't call this partisan bullshit.
I think this is from an old proposal on internet gambling prohibition, but it applies here too. |
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Posted: Wed, 04 Oct 2006, 12:57am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 12 Jan 2005
Posts: 1461
WPP: 122
Location: wearing the honors of honor and whatnot
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I have a question about party. on the popup screen for the VIP promotion it says
"( This includes points redeemed by you till 03-OCT-2006 12:00:01 ET)"
is there any reason it says until today at noon, or am i missing some reason why it would include that time? |
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Posted: Wed, 04 Oct 2006, 1:10pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 12 Jan 2005
Posts: 1461
WPP: 122
Location: wearing the honors of honor and whatnot
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Posted: Wed, 04 Oct 2006, 2:03pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 04 Mar 2005
Posts: 3614
WPP: 52
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| Greedo017 wrote: | i have something else too. This is a link to a conservative forum. i don't belong there, i was just googling for "bush sign ban" to see if anywhere speculated when he'd sign it, and it came up. they think the ban is crap also.
http://www.rightnation.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=110505 |
good to see |
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Posted: Wed, 04 Oct 2006, 8:44pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6600
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I'd just like to say wow..... this sounds like really good news to me. |
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Posted: Wed, 04 Oct 2006, 11:26pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 04 Mar 2005
Posts: 3614
WPP: 52
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just went to pokerlistings and noticed that they don't have PokerStars listed under the rooms that are open to US citizens. wonder why? they didn't say that yet right?
http://www.pokerlistings.com/ |
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