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Posted: Tue, 09 May 2006, 10:22pm Post subject:
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Full House
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Posted: Wed, 10 May 2006, 4:31pm Post subject:
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Full House
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Posted: Mon, 12 Jun 2006, 2:25am Post subject:
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Life Donk
Joined: 29 Aug 2005
Posts: 1710
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Location: running with scissors
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| What do we mean when we say that we "bomb the next street"? I understand that we are putting some chips in the middle, but does the term include amount guidelines? |
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Posted: Fri, 23 Jun 2006, 12:11am Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
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Posted: Fri, 23 Jun 2006, 12:16am Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
Joined: 14 Sep 2005
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for what it's worth (fwiw) |
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Posted: Fri, 23 Jun 2006, 8:25am Post subject:
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Life Donk
Joined: 29 Aug 2005
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Location: running with scissors
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| HalvSame wrote: | | What do we mean when we say that we "bomb the next street"? I understand that we are putting some chips in the middle, but does the term include amount guidelines? | I'm bumping this one, just a little.  |
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Posted: Fri, 23 Jun 2006, 2:27pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 25 Apr 2005
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Posted: Fri, 23 Jun 2006, 2:33pm Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
Joined: 14 Sep 2005
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Location: Canuckistan
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| HalvSame wrote: | | HalvSame wrote: | | What do we mean when we say that we "bomb the next street"? I understand that we are putting some chips in the middle, but does the term include amount guidelines? | I'm bumping this one, just a little. |
Betting it hard. From pot to push, I'd say. |
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Posted: Fri, 23 Jun 2006, 2:36pm Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
Joined: 14 Sep 2005
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Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 1:01pm Post subject:
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High Card
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| When people talk about "top pair top kicker" is the kicker involved always an ace? Or is the kicker just "top" relative to the actual or imagined kickers of the other players? |
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Posted: Fri, 30 Jun 2006, 2:26pm Post subject:
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Life Donk
Joined: 29 Aug 2005
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| If the top pair is a pair of aces, then the top kicker is a king. If the top pair is lower than a pair of aces, then the top kicker is an ace |
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Posted: Thu, 20 Jul 2006, 10:53am Post subject:
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One Pair
Joined: 29 May 2005
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Location: Manchester, UK
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(at the begining of a hand history) Player x is 48/39.
I presume this is something to with hands played? |
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Posted: Thu, 20 Jul 2006, 10:59am Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
Joined: 14 Sep 2005
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VP$IP/PFR
Voluntarily put $ in pot %/Pre-flop raise % (from PokerTracker) |
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Posted: Sun, 23 Jul 2006, 7:36pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Posts: 1011
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Location: Hartford, CT
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| The Shocker= Ace + Duece starting hand |
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Posted: Sun, 23 Jul 2006, 7:54pm Post subject:
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LAME HUMOR THAT MAKES FISH LAUGH
Joined: 28 Sep 2004
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Location: This room is a good place to be
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the best example of a nit is a guy who is new to the table but wont post the BB from the CO but instead elects to wait for his BB.
It extends to people who do nitting things of this nature around the poker table. |
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Posted: Sun, 23 Jul 2006, 9:42pm Post subject:
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 5718
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Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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| a500lbgorilla wrote: | | the best example of a nit is a guy who is new to the table but wont post the BB from the CO but instead elects to wait for his BB. |
um no
this is a reasonable person. And if you post you blind oop you have a leak in your game. I make a ton of money from "non-nits" who post their bb oop by raising any two whenever they do. |
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Posted: Sun, 23 Jul 2006, 9:51pm Post subject:
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LAME HUMOR THAT MAKES FISH LAUGH
Joined: 28 Sep 2004
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Location: This room is a good place to be
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| wtf? posting in the CO is not a leak. |
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Posted: Sun, 23 Jul 2006, 11:49pm Post subject:
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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| a500lbgorilla wrote: | | wtf? posting in the CO is not a leak. |
No, posting in the CO is the Absolute definition of a leak.
It is a small leak, but its a leak nonetheless. |
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Posted: Mon, 24 Jul 2006, 9:03am Post subject:
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Eats babies
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
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| I have done this alot. Is it really a leak because I figured that CO is still good position. Now I won't post from MP or UTG but CO never seemed bad. Why renton, I need to know so that I have reason not to. |
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Posted: Mon, 24 Jul 2006, 10:16am Post subject:
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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posting in the CO is a leak for the same reason that playing 72o in the CO is a leak.
get it? |
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Posted: Mon, 24 Jul 2006, 10:19am Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
Joined: 14 Sep 2005
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Location: Canuckistan
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| Trainer_jyms wrote: | | I have done this alot. Is it really a leak because I figured that CO is still good position. Now I won't post from MP or UTG but CO never seemed bad. Why renton, I need to know so that I have reason not to. |
I post in LP all the time. Technically, you're paying an extra blind for your orbit (half orbit, 2/3, whatever), but I find that I steal often enough after posting from here that the position advantage makes up for it. |
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Posted: Mon, 24 Jul 2006, 11:25am Post subject:
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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why give up even a single cent of ev when its so much easier to just wait?
you guys are going to change your minds when you play 2/4 5/10 or 10/20 and that blind money actually means something. |
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Posted: Mon, 24 Jul 2006, 11:34am Post subject:
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Eats babies
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
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| Maybe that's the biggest problem renton. That"it's only $.25 has been my downfall before. I have stopped that from the SB, BB and on EP preflop so why not here too. Maybe it'll make opening the other 5 tables and gametime+ a little easier if I don't get involved in so many hands right away. |
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Posted: Tue, 25 Jul 2006, 7:13pm Post subject:
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Two Pair
Joined: 25 Jul 2006
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| Great info here, thanks guys. |
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Posted: Tue, 25 Jul 2006, 8:32pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Leak or not, when I'm playing I play at 10 person tables. I'm not waiting 6-8 mins to post the BB, I'm damned well posting from the cutoff.
I'm losing money by not being involved $/hr wise.
Oh, and a shameless plug for my thread that's still going strong. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Jul 2006, 4:15am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 24 Jan 2006
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Location: Sweden
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| Renton wrote: | posting in the CO is a leak for the same reason that playing 72o in the CO is a leak.
get it? |
At full-ring this just doesn't add up.
Blinds are a pay-to-play charge and you're charged 1.5xbb per round. So at a full 10-ring you're paying 0.15xbb per hand.
Posting at CO means paying 1xbb for 7 hands so 0.14xbb per hand. A net-gain.
Empty chairs mean it's worth waiting for the BB, though. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Jul 2006, 5:04am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Jun 2005
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| you have to pay for the next blinds as well sir. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Jul 2006, 5:16am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 24 Jan 2006
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| midas06 wrote: | | you have to pay for the next blinds as well sir. |
Only if you want to play another orbit.
I mean, the last hand I usually play in any session is UTG. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Jul 2006, 7:36am Post subject:
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Flush
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Posted: Wed, 26 Jul 2006, 7:43am Post subject:
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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| Pants_101 wrote: | | What's an orphan pot? |
A pot that whoever bets at it first will take down.
Example: A three way limped pot with a flop of 288 rainbow. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Jul 2006, 8:26am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
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Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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| If you make 10 BB/100 on average from the CO-UTG then playing 7 extra hands should net you 0.7BBs. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Jul 2006, 9:05am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 24 Jan 2006
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Location: Sweden
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| biondino wrote: | | If you make 10 BB/100 on average from the CO-UTG then playing 7 extra hands should net you 0.7BBs. |
Actually they're notionally "worth" 0.7BBs, but I know what you mean.
Saying they "should" net you 0.77BBs is like saying AA "should" always win. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Jul 2006, 9:20am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
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Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Well no it isn't like saying that. The only way you can adequately value them is compared to your long-term win rate. One session you might make $20 on these 7 hands, the next you might lose $30, but you will tend to 0.7BB because that's your lonhg term win rate.
However, you can also argue that because it's your first orbit, you'll be rusty, or cautious, and you may have no reads, which maybe needs to be borne in mind. |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Jul 2006, 9:54am Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
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Ok, I want to go back to value betting, because there seem to be different exlplanations out there.
First Explanantion I heard: You have a strong hand (nuts or near nuts) and want players with weaker holdings (like TPTK) to call. You do this because you think they could fold to a push and you would loose value doing so as a consequence.
Second explanation: You hold a weak hand (lets say you are holding QQ and the flop comes K93Rainbow) and its checked to you. You check aswell and the turn comes a J. Now you bet for value because you can be pretty sure your hand is good (any player with a J or a 9 would probably call a smallish bet). I don't know if its a good example, basically: your hand is mediocre but you still believe its better than your opponents.
Quote from pokrtips.org about value betting:
"Value betting is what seperates a great player from just a good player. Obviously, any person knows to bet when he or she holds the nuts. However, getting maximum value out of marginal hands is much trickier."
So, please feel free to post comments so we can get that straight! |
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Posted: Wed, 26 Jul 2006, 10:19am Post subject:
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
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| Value betting, simply, is when you have a hand that beats the range of hand that you think your opponent will call with, and you bet it, hoping he'll call. The Absolute strength of your hand isn't important, its only important that it is better than most of your opponent's range. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Jul 2006, 5:48pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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is lc = line check or low content?
i keep putting hand histories with lc, and wonder if ppl think its a bad beat or something instead of a line check. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Jul 2006, 9:46pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Posted: Tue, 01 Aug 2006, 8:22am Post subject:
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One Pair
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OK... I tried to find the meaning to this one, but the search brings up three pages of results.
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Posted: Tue, 01 Aug 2006, 10:20am Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
Joined: 14 Sep 2005
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You win a big pot... 
You win 1st place in an MTT, the money's yours... |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Aug 2006, 11:10am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Renton wrote: | why give up even a single cent of ev when its so much easier to just wait?
you guys are going to change your minds when you play 2/4 5/10 or 10/20 and that blind money actually means something. |
Dont mean to respond to a week old post, but posting in the CO is cheaper than posting the blinds. To post in the co you pay 1BB for 7 hands, to post in the blinds you pay 1.5BB for 10 hands, so the cost per hand while posting in the co is .147BB and in the blinds it is .150BBs. Posting in the CO is not a leak and it is actually +EV in a FR game [which is what you play, right?].
In a 6/5max game it would be a leak and there is no reason not to wait when itll only take a minute or two before you can post in the blinds. |
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Posted: Mon, 14 Aug 2006, 12:11am Post subject:
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Flush
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Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
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| Fnord wrote: | | Ummmm..... reads FTW? |
FTW = What???? I looked on the What the hell does XX mean and the 2 threads - help |
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Posted: Mon, 14 Aug 2006, 11:54am Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
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Posted: Fri, 25 Aug 2006, 6:55pm Post subject:
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Straight
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Posted: Fri, 25 Aug 2006, 7:01pm Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
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Posted: Tue, 19 Sep 2006, 1:07pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 22 Jun 2005
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Bump
We need to add Radashacked and a definition.
kthx. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 1:50pm Post subject:
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High Card
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New member question. I'm certain this isn't the most ideal place to ask, but is there a way to turn off poster avatars/sigs. I personally dont mind, but some are a bit too racy for office viewing. Thanks in advance.
Wow, asked like a true n00b. Thanks for the below post. |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 2:01pm Post subject:
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Radmin
Joined: 04 Dec 2003
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| rusticity wrote: | | New member question. I'm certain this isn't the most ideal place to ask, but is there a way to turn off poster avatars/sigs. I personally dont mind, but some are a bit too racy for office viewing. Thanks in advance. |
Yes. Take a look at the sticky topics. |
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Posted: Mon, 18 Dec 2006, 10:33am Post subject:
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Flush
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What's "Laughing out Loud" mean?
No seriously...what's EV? |
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Posted: Mon, 18 Dec 2006, 10:50am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 16 Sep 2005
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| uscheese wrote: | What's "Laughing out Loud" mean?
No seriously...what's EV? |
EV is the expected value of an action. Its the money (or chip) average that you expect to get out of a bet.
e.g. A game of poker with faceup cards.
You hold 4 5
I hold A K
The board is 6 K J Q
If the turn is any of the remaining 9 hearts you will win. Otherwise you will lose.
The pot is $50 and I put you allin for $10 more.
You have a 9/44 chance of winning the hand. (9 hearts with 44 remaining unseens cards in the deck).
So if you call you stand to win $60 ($50 pot + my $10 bet) 9/44 of the time for an win of
9/44 * $60 = +$12.27
Of coure 35/44 of the time your flush wont come and youll lose the $10 call for an average loss of
35/44 * -$10 = -$7.95
So the total expectated value of a call is +$4.32 (12.27-7.95) so you should call since you will make an average of $4.32 every time you do.
In poker you generally want to maximize your EV with every decision. |
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Posted: Mon, 18 Dec 2006, 10:56am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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| please add AYCEB to the list |
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