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Post Posted: Thu, 23 Mar 2006, 12:21pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I am just now at phase 2. $100 initial deposit has turned into $800 playing $5 and $10 45 player S&G's. Just pretty consistently getting down to 18 players left with a top 5 stack. Just feeling like I must be missing something because it can't really be this easy. Thinking that I could now lose 30 $20 dollar tournaments in a row and still be on house cash so why not move up in stakes even though I don't have all that much experience.

But I do have some things in my favor. Keeping composure in the face of bad beats comes very natural to me. I don't need the higher stakes to still enjoy poker. I do still feel like I have a ton to learn (just learned about counterfeiting a low PP the hard way).

Unfortunately there are some potential pitfalls there as well. I am at the point where I am thinking implied odds trump pot odds in many situations in NL. I am probably too eager to count on fold equity from an all in to give me +EV even if I am just 50/50 to win the hand. I probably cbet too much and think that it is making me predictable. But we will see how it all shakes out. Its hard to see much of a downside when you are riding the euphoria of phase 2.
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HalvSame
Post Posted: Fri, 16 Jun 2006, 3:43am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I just have to say that, as I've now read this post for the umpteenth time, it is ESSENTIAL reading. I'm still 'waiting' for my first turn of the circle after switching to full ring, hopefully rereading this thread will keep me from going through the pain.
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givememyleg
Post Posted: Wed, 21 Jun 2006, 8:34am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Great post.... first time I have read this.
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CFH
Post Posted: Mon, 17 Jul 2006, 12:41pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Thanks alot! Great post!!! Applause
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Juice
Post Posted: Mon, 24 Jul 2006, 4:06am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Great post, I just went from putting in my initial $50 in Party Poker, played hardcore for that first couple of days, 10+ hours a day, had made it up to around $320, and then inevitablly, I started getting cocky, and before I knew it, I was down to around $40. At that point, I was just so shocked and mentally unprepared to deal with it, and almost purposely lost it, going all in with low crappy pocket pairs and the like. Needless to say, I was quickly knocked out, and I realized that it was a very expensive but good lesson for me.

Just gotta get back to playing my game, and go back and re-read strategies and hit the books, and hopefully good things will follow.
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HalvSame
Post Posted: Thu, 16 Nov 2006, 6:54pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I'm gonna *bump* this again. Right now I think I am in the "Rediscovery" phase after a few weeks of thinking I'm the shit. I'm glad that I see it coming before my roll goes down the drain.

Time to get a grip, be humble and find my way back to good poker!
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Jack Sawyer
Post Posted: Sat, 18 Aug 2007, 10:24pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Warpe wrote:
Man oh man oh man...I wish I'd read this months ago...Absolutely bang-on...


and I'm going precisely through some of the described phases.
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Vetranio
Post Posted: Fri, 21 Nov 2008, 2:22am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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This is a great site! I like the ^&**^*ck style. Every article is either a thriller or comedy.
Great Job!
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kb coolman
Post Posted: Fri, 21 Nov 2008, 7:02pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I feel like this guy had read my mail. I've been through every one of those phases, every single emotion. Right now it's back to the basics. Books books books.
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HarleyGuy13
Post Posted: Sat, 22 Nov 2008, 8:05pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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OMG... I can't find the damn camera's. How are you people watching my every move?

I would have sworn you were describing me.
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bpurvis2
Post Posted: Fri, 19 Dec 2008, 8:08pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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LOL for some reason I always have focus but I hit a bad run to AAvsKK king spikes but didn't get pist just said aww this is that variance thing lol and continued to focus and the bad run didn't last long before bamm no morebad beats I'm on a good run of not getting beats and winning the hands I should win and if you stay focused your bad swings will not be as long as they could be and your bankroll will grow on a slow but constent basiss.
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only_bridge
Post Posted: Thu, 08 Jan 2009, 10:43pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Thx for the article. Never gonna happen to me... Oh no it happened to me!
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RoyalProdigy
Post Posted: Thu, 15 Jan 2009, 2:27am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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ive gone down this road, more than once and stopped playing more than once. i had no Bankroll Management skills. Now im not going to lie i struggle with straight up TILT. I got real bad a few times so i just stopped playing for a while. Time away helps so much honestly
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grindinginnj
Post Posted: Thu, 15 Jan 2009, 4:54pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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great post and anyone who has played has beent through all of these swings im sure.
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RML604
Post Posted: Sun, 01 Feb 2009, 3:38am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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An excellent read every time. Currently very frustrated with the game and my play, but I knew my road to becoming a bazillionaire by player cyber poker wouldn't be easy.

But seriously, how sweet does it feel when you're going through Phases II and III.
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tncatfish43
Post Posted: Tue, 03 Feb 2009, 4:18pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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what about the wanting to throw computer out the window phase?I threw my mouse and knoked hole in drywall
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Wynnjos
Post Posted: Tue, 14 Apr 2009, 2:07am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Like everyone else that has replied, this post nailed it. I just went through this circle as well, with a lot more dough. I was playing 200NL and not paying attention to bankroll, moving up, and eventually I lost after a few weeks of wins. Then I lost some more and instead of backing up to evaluate my game or rest the tilt away I played like an Absolute idiot, losing over $1500. Now Im back with a managed bankroll and a fresh outlook on my poker skills. I love the articles on this site and will continue to read and learn and play accordingly.
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T-Rex
Post Posted: Tue, 14 Apr 2009, 6:47pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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i read this awhile ago

this post is absolutely amazing who ever made it is a god damn pimp
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riguy724
Post Posted: Wed, 10 Jun 2009, 12:34pm    Post subject: you nailed it! Reply with quote
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I began playing poker about 3 months ago and I can quite honestly say that my thoughts have progressed through this loop 4 or 5 times. I've had 4 bankrolls, all of which grew shrank and left me feeling hopelessly empty when they were gone.

I like the insight you provide here, that poker takes strict concentration and dedication.

Thanks for a great post.
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FateAver
Post Posted: Wed, 10 Jun 2009, 4:10pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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WOW just read this for first time

I realized myself had just gone through Phase 7-8 and startin in Phase 9

Lose high pot to miracle hands many times
then back to the start line again and wonder
"Maybe I'm just not suitable for poker?"
"Should I use my free time to something different?"

Well , thinking last 3 months as my experience of poker now.
If it come to worst situation like run out of bankroll again
I will just play only Freeroll or just quit playing poker...
but I won't regret because I having fun with playing poker anyway
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venichhe
Post Posted: Wed, 15 Jul 2009, 2:57pm    Post subject: the first post Reply with quote
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lmao, that is funny. I feel just like it, I bought in with $25 raised it to 80 and now I have 37. lmao
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CrazyAndy27s
Post Posted: Thu, 16 Jul 2009, 10:05pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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It reminds me of when I played using luck...
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datuspoker
Post Posted: Fri, 24 Jul 2009, 3:26pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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good post
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