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Posted: Wed, 14 Sep 2005, 6:46pm Post subject: Comments: The most -EV thing I'll probably ever post... |
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Full House
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Posted: Wed, 14 Sep 2005, 7:05pm Post subject: |
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
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Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| jmontis wrote: |
Also, what do you think about going for blind steals into loose players... just don't do it without a reasonable hand? |
Bring big cards or a pair but don't worry about domination. Value bet and don't spray. Position + playable hand against bad players = $$$bling$$$. Hands like 76s go way down in value when stealing against someone who's going to defend a lot, play aggro or take lots of hands to the river. |
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Posted: Wed, 14 Sep 2005, 11:28pm Post subject: Thx |
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Full House
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
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Location: Massachusetts
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| Thanks Fnord,this post really helps. |
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Posted: Wed, 14 Sep 2005, 11:48pm Post subject: |
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Full House
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Posted: Thu, 15 Sep 2005, 1:03am Post subject: |
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Royal Flush
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| iopq wrote: | | What's HJ position? |
Hi-Jack. The position right before the Cut-Off which is right before the ButtoN. |
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Posted: Thu, 15 Sep 2005, 2:15am Post subject: |
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Full House
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| Fnord wrote: | | iopq wrote: | | What's HJ position? |
Hi-Jack. The position right before the Cut-Off which is right before the ButtoN. | Do you play differently in HJ than in MP1? SSH doesn't make a distinction. I'm worried I might be folding hands that are EV+ in HJ. |
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Posted: Thu, 15 Sep 2005, 2:38am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 09 Feb 2005
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Location: Party 6 max
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| iopq wrote: | | Do you play differently in HJ than in MP1? SSH doesn't make a distinction. I'm worried I might be folding hands that are EV+ in HJ. |
YES!
play in HJ is very similar to play in CO
play in MP1 is very similar to play in UTG+1 |
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Posted: Thu, 15 Sep 2005, 2:44am Post subject: |
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Full House
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| Demiparadigm wrote: | | iopq wrote: | | Do you play differently in HJ than in MP1? SSH doesn't make a distinction. I'm worried I might be folding hands that are EV+ in HJ. |
YES!
play in HJ is very similar to play in CO
play in MP1 is very similar to play in UTG+1 | Should I play it the same as the SSH recommendations for late position instead of middle position? |
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Posted: Thu, 15 Sep 2005, 3:31am Post subject: |
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
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In SSH games, isolation and blind wars aren't key parts of crushing the game.
Read my orginal post 2 more times. It's all in there. |
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Posted: Thu, 15 Sep 2005, 7:19pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME
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| i have the hugest boner for you right now |
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Posted: Sat, 17 Sep 2005, 11:46am Post subject: |
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Full House
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chronic cold callers DO suck, i've noticed how a good hand can quickly go bad because he basically lets in the rest of the table for a cold call.
It's the only time i'd ever complain about getting too many calls, you're basically forced to play tighter. |
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Posted: Sat, 17 Sep 2005, 1:09pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: 6max limit tables
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| GH SIR!!! Though i already knew the vast majority of what you said still great post... this should be a sticky... |
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Posted: Sun, 18 Sep 2005, 1:01am Post subject: |
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Royal Flush
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| pokerfanatic01 wrote: | | GH SIR!!! Though i already knew the vast majority of what you said still great post... this should be a sticky... |
Many players know some of it, few know all of it, fewer still implement much of it. Many of the TAgg-like players I'm seeing are sitting in horrible games, bad seats in luke-warm games and passing on lots of value. |
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Posted: Sun, 18 Sep 2005, 10:51am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: 6max limit tables
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| Fnord wrote: | | pokerfanatic01 wrote: | | GH SIR!!! Though i already knew the vast majority of what you said still great post... this should be a sticky... |
Many players know some of it, few know all of it, fewer still implement much of it. Many of the Tagg-like players I'm seeing are sitting in horrible games, bad seats in luke-warm games and passing on lots of value. |
yes I think a lot of the Taggs will sit in a great game and not leave when it turns to shit... I have done it and I have told many limit players in vent after seeing them at a terrible table to get off it... and they didn't even realize it was terrible...
I know i have leaks in my game, but I think I can distinguish between a rock fest and a loose passive table...  |
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Posted: Sun, 18 Sep 2005, 3:15pm Post subject: |
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Full House
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Posted: Thu, 22 Sep 2005, 5:05pm Post subject: |
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Royal Flush
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| "There's four ways to start a hand. With a good hand and good position, or a good hand and bad position, or a bad hand and good position, or a bad hand and bad position. I'm willing to play the first three, but that's it." - Tommy Angelo |
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Posted: Wed, 12 Oct 2005, 2:00am Post subject: |
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Royal Flush
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| "Past study of large PokerTracker databases taught me something very important. A comparative handful of extremely bad players lose almost all the money. These 65%+ VP$IP players lose over 10 BB/100. Ordinary bad players lose maybe 2 BB/100 .... The super-donators can't hold their own against nine sock puppets" - Stellar Wind |
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Posted: Wed, 12 Oct 2005, 3:48am Post subject: |
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Royal Flush
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When I started playing hold'em I was fixated by charts, what I should play from where and how.
Then I started digging into why those charts are the way they are. What hands play well in what circumstances and the thought process behind them. Pre-flop became almost robotic.
After I while I took it a step further and discovered that pre-flop flows into post-flop. A raise vs a call can totally change the post-flop texture of a hand. Passing on a little value on one street can setup-up greater value on the next street.
Finally I really got it. The most fucking important part of pre-flop is the value of your hand relative to the position + hand strength + post-flop skill of those that have already entered the pot and those likely to enter it. Hence, as we gain information the charts becomes less relevent and the calculations increasingly murky. |
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Posted: Thu, 17 Jul 2008, 10:01am Post subject: |
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High Card
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| Great post, exceptional quotes & explainations. Thankyou. |
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