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daluchy
Post Posted: Wed, 26 Apr 2006, 11:23pm    Post subject: Comments: So you want to master SnGs? Reply with quote
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Why no comments on this?

Excellent post, esp. for people just starting out SnGs or the some of us who need a fresher upper.
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Post Posted: Wed, 26 Apr 2006, 11:32pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yes this was a great post... the second time ive read it, and I think this was the best advice I got in my entire topic. just wish someone would review the other sng i posted in that post :p
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Post Posted: Thu, 27 Apr 2006, 12:22am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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vaks wrote:
Yes this was a great post... the second time ive read it, and I think this was the best advice I got in my entire topic. just wish someone would review the other sng i posted in that post :p


Got a final tomorrow at 8am. I'll look at it after that.
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Post Posted: Thu, 27 Apr 2006, 1:19am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Ah if poker was this easy Smile


Good concept, thanks
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Post Posted: Thu, 27 Apr 2006, 6:38am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Nah Jefferys post doesnt need to be replied too.

Nah instead if it drops down to the bottom of the page ill dump it!!!!
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Post Posted: Thu, 27 Apr 2006, 2:18pm    Post subject: Re: So you want to master SnGs? Reply with quote
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JeffreyGB wrote:
4. Next, learn about M.


Aside from being the letter that comes before N and after L what is M? Smile
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Post Posted: Thu, 27 Apr 2006, 2:23pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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M is a number calculated by your chipstack divided by the cost of one round. So if the blinds are 100/200 with no ante and you have 1500 chips. Your M is 5. This subject is discussed thuroghly in HOH 2. Basically if you don't know about M (or at least some sense of it) you will be a losing player.
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Post Posted: Thu, 27 Apr 2006, 2:24pm    Post subject: Re: So you want to master SnGs? Reply with quote
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justo_TX wrote:
JeffreyGB wrote:
4. Next, learn about M.


Aside from being the letter that comes before N and after L what is M? Smile


The basic answer to that is that you M is the size of your stack in relation to the blinds and antes. A couple of examples are:

You have 1,000 and the blinds are 15/30. Your M is calculated by 1000/45 = just over 22

you have 1,500 chips with 6 people left, blinds at 100/200 and an ante of 25. Now your M is just over 3 ((25*6+300)/1500).

Knowing your M is just part of the equation as how you play hands differs when your M is Over 20, between 10-15 and less than 10.

To get a very good understanding on how "M"'s work go read Harrington on Hold em. He discusses M's in Vol II, but you will want to read Vol I first.

Good Luck

Edit: I just noticed that was your first post so let me be the first to welcome you to FTR's message board.
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Post Posted: Thu, 27 Apr 2006, 2:38pm    Post subject: Re: So you want to master SnGs? Reply with quote
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JeffreyGB wrote:

5. Next, learn about first-in vigorish and folding equity. These will be huge boosts, and combined with the rest of the above should let you beat the game at the $55 level

Where can i learn this? Embarassed
And another noob question is where can i learn about what is +EV or -EV?
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Post Posted: Thu, 27 Apr 2006, 2:44pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Post Posted: Thu, 27 Apr 2006, 3:06pm    Post subject: Re: So you want to master SnGs? Reply with quote
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Dislexsik wrote:

And another noob question is where can i learn about what is +EV or -EV?


TOP TOP TOP TOP
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Post Posted: Thu, 27 Apr 2006, 3:31pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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BTW, HOH = Harrington on Hold em and TOP = Theroy of Poker (By Sklansky)
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Post Posted: Thu, 27 Apr 2006, 4:34pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Anyone mind explaining fold equity to me?
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Post Posted: Thu, 27 Apr 2006, 4:46pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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GatorJH wrote:
BTW, HOH = Harrington on Hold em and TOP = Theroy of Poker (By Sklansky)


Ah, I acutally bought this book (TOP that is) last week and am slowly making my way through it (stoopid work keeps getting in the way). Thanks for the info guys!
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Post Posted: Thu, 27 Apr 2006, 5:04pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Wow, that chick is Hot
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Post Posted: Thu, 27 Apr 2006, 5:11pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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lol .... beats Stripclub's effort in the COmmunity!!
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Post Posted: Thu, 27 Apr 2006, 7:23pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Hartlin wrote:
Anyone mind explaining fold equity to me?


Folding equity is the value your hand gains from the potential to make your opponent fold. To a large extent, it relies on first-in vigorish (i.e. the added strength of being the first one in the pot), as well as Sklansky's Gap Concent (the gap between how strong a hand you need to make a raise and how strong a hand you need to call a raise).

HOH2 discusses all of this, though I don't know if the Gap Concept is mentioned by name.

TOP talks about the Gap Concept and a ton of other stuff...(I'm currently still making my way through it).
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Post Posted: Thu, 27 Apr 2006, 7:41pm    Post subject: Re: So you want to master SnGs? Reply with quote
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Dislexsik wrote:
And another noob question is where can i learn about what is +EV or -EV?

This post from Scuba Chuck was pretty good I thought

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=22221
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Post Posted: Fri, 28 Apr 2006, 12:19pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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nice keep it coming.
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Post Posted: Thu, 08 Jun 2006, 11:39am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The most important thing in SnG's IMO is to steal the blinds when they start to get bigger.

Play it very tight till the blinds reach 50/100+, then start making big bets and stealing the blinds.

Steal the blinds, don't be scared, most important thing in $11 SnG
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