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Posted: Mon, 14 Mar 2005, 10:06pm Post subject: Comments: Bad beats and You.
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Flush
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{Comments on http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=68136#68136 }
For example, lets say you sell cars. Now everytime someone walks off the lot without buying from you do you run into the bathroom and punch the wall, maybe call you wife and tell here the whole sorted tale? Sure you didnt necessarily lose money, but yet you did, you lost your time and time and money are the same, we trade one for the other.
As in car sales you would learn to discipline yourself to approach each new potential customer with optimism and enthusiasm or you are going to suck at sales.
There is absolutely no benefit to rehashing the negative to get it off your chest. It is simply the part of the cost of doing business. You just expense it and move on. Just like the power bill, the mortgage, office supplies etc. Bad beats are just an expense.
There is definately value in talking about how to do better business, decrease expendatures and increase revenues. However, no CEO in his right mind is going to hold a board meeting and discuss how not to pay the power bill. He's would be a lunatic and should be replaced.
The same goes for a poker player who calls a meeting to discuss bad beats. Its dumb. Its just part of doing business.
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Posted: Mon, 14 Mar 2005, 10:29pm Post subject:
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Strike 1
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Thanks to both of you. I've never really thought about "bad beats" in this light.
It really serves no real purpose in churning these hands over and over in your mind. Look at the hand and analyze your play if you must, but at the end of the day, let it go. |
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Posted: Tue, 15 Mar 2005, 8:44am Post subject:
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Season I
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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What a coincidence; I woke up today with scenes from Glengarry going through my mind, then soupie goes on about salesmen.
You know what it takes to play poker?
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Posted: Mon, 21 Mar 2005, 7:44pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 22 Oct 2004
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Location: Washington, D.C.
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Posted: Wed, 23 Mar 2005, 2:11am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 10 Aug 2004
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Location: Vegas
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| ChezJ wrote: | i remember hearing this about hellmuth once. all of his beats are bad beats because of the hands he plays. sure explains a lot. poor guy!
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nah, Phildo just thinks he's above losing. In all his years of greatness, he hasnt come to terms with the existence of the 10%. |
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Posted: Tue, 29 Mar 2005, 5:55pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
Posts: 154
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Location: Somewhere chasing an open ended straight despite several large raises
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| Is missing 23 outs on a full table considered a bad beat? |
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Posted: Fri, 20 May 2005, 4:48pm Post subject:
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Strike 3
Joined: 16 Apr 2005
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| UncleBuddy wrote: | | Is missing 23 outs on a full table considered a bad beat? |
No! 23 outs does not mean your going to win!
Getting a bad beat is like shitting yourself. You won't help yourself by just sitting there in your own shit. GO FUCKING WASH. |
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Posted: Fri, 20 May 2005, 5:08pm Post subject:
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Season I
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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i'm sure UncleBuddy has been on the edge of his seat for two months waiting for that answer  |
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Posted: Fri, 20 May 2005, 5:29pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 30 Mar 2005
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Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Thu, 26 May 2005, 11:31pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 05 May 2005
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Location: Limbo
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One thing that should be said, which is confirmed by many pros, never berate the players that deliver the bad beats telling them how stupid they are etc...etc.......
THESE ARE THE PLAYERS THAT ARE GOING TO PAY YOU!.......Let it go, say "nh", and get your money back when they make another moronic play. Dont let the bad beat get the best of you and start playin junk because you think "his junk is worse"....... |
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Posted: Mon, 06 Jun 2005, 3:50pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 12 Aug 2004
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Location: Gamblers Anonymous
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| This is one of the most helpful posts on this entire forum. Once you truly get to understand and trust that you really won whether you got sucked out or not... that is when you can finally clear your mind and worry about playing good poker. |
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Posted: Tue, 07 Jun 2005, 3:28pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 17 Jan 2005
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O god, Haven't been to the forums in awhile.
Looking at my post from just 3 months ago makes me want to flame myself! |
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Posted: Tue, 06 Dec 2005, 5:01pm Post subject: Can I expect a good beat streak to be as long
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High Card
Joined: 04 Aug 2005
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Hi
I have been on a two month losing streak, which continues despite rereading every book I have and tearing down an rebuilding my game from the ground up. but the bad cards and bad beats go on.
I need to know if I can expect a winning streak as long as my losing streak. A time wher my hands hold up when I'm in with the best of it and the fools don't bet rewarded for making mistakes against me.
Is there any hope that I can get a streak of positive variance?
Or should I just pack it in, concluding that I am naturally unlucky and it will never matter how well I learn to play? |
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Posted: Sat, 10 Dec 2005, 1:33pm Post subject: Re: Can I expect a good beat streak to be as long
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Straight
Joined: 24 Jul 2004
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Location: In The General Vicinity of Dallas
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You can expect nothing except that, if you play enough hands, and if you play each one correctly, you will be profitable.
Bad beats happen to you no more than anyone else. Streaks - good or bad - are random at best.
Play every hand as you would if you could see what your opponent is holding, and in the long run, you'll win.
You can and should expect nothing more from poker than that - but that's where the money is. |
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Posted: Tue, 28 Feb 2006, 7:18pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Posts: 580
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Location: Southern california
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| i am going to re-read gorillas post evey time I tilt. Very good post. |
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Posted: Wed, 31 May 2006, 3:42pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 12 Sep 2005
Posts: 838
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Location: The Internetz
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| bad beats are my life ! they rock |
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Posted: Wed, 31 May 2006, 9:20pm Post subject: Re: Can I expect a good beat streak to be as long
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High Card
Joined: 18 Jul 2005
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| Molinero wrote: | | Bad beats happen to you no more than anyone else. Streaks - good or bad - are random at best. |
At the end of our poker careers some players will have results that exceed the EV of their play, and others will have results that are less than the EV of their play.
Losing is frustrating, not simply the money, but the thought of losing to inferior play seems unjust, and is fundamentally infuriating to human nature. To suggest all players should be emotionless and unfeeling as you lose your fourth buy in to yet another 10% shot is an idealistic but futile concept.
I have no shame in being annoyed at a bad beat, I'll only start to consider it a problem when it affects the next hand I play. |
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