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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 1:50pm Post subject: Can we ever fold boat here?
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Full House
Joined: 06 Jun 2007
Posts: 1446
WPP: 63
Location: NS, Canada
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10-handed limpfest 1/2NL game.Semi-loose big stack Luckbox Villian($800) raised a lot preflop and limped/called a lot with tons of weird shit. He is also capable of folding TPGKish hands in a big pot. Effective stack is $500 here. 4 limpers,big stack guy raised $12 on BT, sb who had $150 called, hero($500) called in BB with   , 2 limp/callers.
flop($60):    flop checked through
turn($60):  sb bet $50, hero called, 2 folds, big stack guy on BT shoved all-in, sb insta called, hero ? I knew this guy wouldn't shove this deep without at least straight here. He actually played a bit straightforward the whole night even though he did play the trick a few times in some small pots. BTW, I'm a tight aggressive straightforward player in this card room. Also, That's some serious money for the majority of 1/2NL players IMO. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 3:09pm Post subject: Re: Can we ever fold boat here?
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Full House
Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 836
WPP: 181
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| pokerfan wrote: | 10-handed limpfest 1/2NL game.Semi-loose big stack Luckbox Villian($800) raised a lot preflop and limped/called a lot with tons of weird shit. He is also capable of folding TPGKish hands in a big pot. Effective stack is $500 here. 4 limpers,big stack guy raised $12 on BT, sb who had $150 called, hero($500) called in BB with , 2 limp/callers.
flop($60): flop checked through
turn($60): sb bet $50, hero called, 2 folds, big stack guy on BT shoved all-in, sb insta called, hero ? I knew this guy wouldn't shove this deep without at least straight here. He actually played a bit straightforward the whole night even though he did play the trick a few times in some small pots. BTW, I'm a tight aggressive straightforward player in this card room. Also, That's some serious money for the majority of 1/2NL players IMO. |
Maybe it's because I don't play very much NL anymore, but I don't understand your play here. You made a full house on the turn and have someone betting into you. Why are you slowplaying this? If you raise the sb's turn bet, it's almost perfect because it looks like it might be an attempt to buy the pot on a board that one suspects nobody really hit, or maybe you are semi-bluffing with a straight or flush draw that came on the turn. You may get calls from overpairs, straights, straight draws, flush draws, straight and flush or straight flush draws, or trips. Indeed, there's very few hands that beat you here (exactly 3, actually-- either of the remaining 6's with the 4 of diamonds, or the two remaining 6's for 4 of a kind).
That said, as played, I'm not folding this no matter what. Shove your chips in and pray they don't have you coolered. |
Last edited by LawDude on Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 8:32pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 5:44pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 06 Jun 2007
Posts: 1446
WPP: 63
Location: NS, Canada
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| sb who bet $50 on the turn is a short stack anyway and there are 3 ppl yet to act. Raising here looks ridiculously strong and probably folds out all those straight/flush draw/one pair hands blah blah. Also, its the perfect position to trap/backraise if somebody just hit straight or slow played trips. Hmmm, i just didnt expect him to shove this deep. Thats really serious money, i guess. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 5:55pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 09 Aug 2005
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WPP: 67
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| I can't see how this is even close. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 6:41pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 10 Feb 2009
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WPP: 181
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| pokerfan wrote: | | sb who bet $50 on the turn is a short stack anyway and there are 3 ppl yet to act. Raising here looks ridiculously strong and probably folds out all those straight/flush draw/one pair hands blah blah. Also, its the perfect position to trap/backraise if somebody just hit straight or slow played trips. Hmmm, i just didnt expect him to shove this deep. Thats really serious money, i guess. |
Well, if your line is "I'm way ahead, so I think I'll slowplay and invite someone to push their chips in", then you are really fearing the monsters under the bed if you then worry about calling once they do it!
And if your line is "I have a very strong hand, but I still may not be ahead, and I may have to fold if someone shoves their chips in", then (1) you are crazy, as there are only 3 hands in the entire universe that can beat you, but (2) you need to raise to protect your hand based on that read.
Either way, though, I'm happy to put my chips in the middle with this hand on this board all day long. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 6:54pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 09 Aug 2005
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| if you put someone who mega-overshoves the pot on a range of the immortal nuts or 2nd nuts only you are crazy. i wouldn't be shocked if he had AA here. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 8:15pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 01 Apr 2008
Posts: 1486
WPP: 98
Location: on teh button... steelin ur blindz
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Discarding 6d4d pretty much amirite? So you're putting him on 6d6s exactly. Did he really overbet shove 66?
I wouldn't be surprised to see AA, 56, A6s... could be slowplaying 33
Not close.
In the past month I made two hero calls with overpairs live against some very scary lines on dry boards... I did talk myself into calling both times because I thought it was possible that they were turning TP into a bluff unknowingly - and that's what it was both times.
Live poker is weird.
I don't think I would necessarily raise the turn either unless I'm deep against the SB or at least 2 other players. If they're 100bb deep they'll have less than a psb on the river anyway, and by raising you're folding out draws that you want to keep in. |
Last edited by oskar on Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 8:33pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 8:33pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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| I like the call on the turn, why not suck more money from the 3 ppl left to act? They may even hit a straight or flush on the river then you get some serious money. I am never folding here. Seems like an overpair or a 6 to me. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 8:42pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
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| I can only assume you losing the hand is giving you some crazy ideas about folding this hand here because I can't think of any other reason someone would think about folding this hand here. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 9:32pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 06 Jun 2007
Posts: 1446
WPP: 63
Location: NS, Canada
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ok folks. It looks like an easy spot.I'm probably a bit result-oriented.
44<<<<<64s. fucking luckbox tards  |
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Posted: Mon, 09 Nov 2009, 8:35am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 01 Mar 2008
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WPP: 138
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| pokerfan wrote: | ok folks. It looks like an easy spot.I'm probably a bit result-oriented.
44<<<<<64s. fucking luckbox tards |
Probably? |
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Posted: Mon, 09 Nov 2009, 9:39am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 01 Apr 2008
Posts: 1486
WPP: 98
Location: on teh button... steelin ur blindz
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| oskar wrote: | | Discarding 6d4d pretty much amirite? |
| pokerfan wrote: | | 44<<<<<64s. |
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