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Posted: Sun, 31 Dec 2006, 5:12am Post subject: Backdooring the nuts in checked around small pots.
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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| What do you guys do most of the time where you have a really small pot, like 4BB pot, and you backdoored a straight or something. Do you just make a huge overbet all inand hope someone calls or do you actually make a small value bet? If the answer all in, how big does the pot have to be for you to make a value bet? |
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Posted: Sun, 31 Dec 2006, 5:25am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
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I think the answer is that barring a really really terrible player read online you need to just make a value bet and accept that you're not going to win a big pot without building one up first. Your best hope is to draw a bluff raise (almost never happens) or get someone to make a river raise with something slow played (Backwards Aces, set, rivered second best.) Once raised, then you can consider an over-the-top-re-raise.
That being said, if you're playing a funny laggy game that makes over-bets routinely into small pots you might actually get a call. For the more TAggy sorts, I just don't think it's gonna happen.
This is exactly why I like to bet into nothing pots online if I have 4+ outs to the nuts. |
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Posted: Wed, 03 Jan 2007, 3:08pm Post subject: Re: Backdooring the nuts in checked around small pots.
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Joined: 06 Oct 2006
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Location: Vancouver, Canada
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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | What do you guys do most of the time where you have a really small pot, like 4BB pot, and you backdoored a straight or something. Do you just make a huge overbet all in and hope someone calls or do you actually make a small value bet? If the answer all in, how big does the pot have to be for you to make a value bet? |
I like overbetting just to make myself look like I am bluffing. If I'm OOP I'll almost always try a check-raise overbet.
Here is an extreme case, a hand that I posted before:
http://www.pokerhand.org/?618860 |
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Posted: Wed, 03 Jan 2007, 3:15pm Post subject: Re: Backdooring the nuts in checked around small pots.
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[quote="bbqsquirrel"]
Wow...talk about waiting too long to bet your pocket pair (a common theme of another discussion today)
also "backdooring the nuts" sounds kinda creepy to me |
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Posted: Sat, 06 Jan 2007, 7:45pm Post subject: Re: Backdooring the nuts in checked around small pots.
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Straight Flush
Joined: 22 Jun 2005
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| bbqsquirrel wrote: | | IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | What do you guys do most of the time where you have a really small pot, like 4BB pot, and you backdoored a straight or something. Do you just make a huge overbet all in and hope someone calls or do you actually make a small value bet? If the answer all in, how big does the pot have to be for you to make a value bet? |
I like overbetting just to make myself look like I am bluffing. If I'm OOP I'll almost always try a check-raise overbet.
Here is an extreme case, a hand that I posted before:
http://www.pokerhand.org/?618860 |
hmmmm.
Fwiw, getting the best value, no matter what that 'best' relates to in cash/bbs is the most important feature. I find people will show down bottom pair if you even just bet 1bb into a 4bb pot. That might actually be maximum value at times... |
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