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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 4:37pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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| Galapogos wrote: | | Do you think any person capable of undertsanding the game like most of the players that are winners on this site are capable of improving their game to the high stakes levels? |
personally I think some may take longer than others, and some may take a really really long time. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 4:41pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| drmcboy wrote: | | Quote: | | There will be more companies that step up to provide easy transfer options, and poker popularity should remain stable throughout the restof the world untill US policy changes. |
link?
Gabe, if online goes away would you go to Vegas/AC/LA/Canada?
It seems like you play as many tables as you can at whatever stakes you are playing at, can you talk about that in comparison to the snippet I saw somewhere about "Find the guys on 12 tables and outplay them on 2-3"? |
i doubt i would move some where. but i dont know.
yea i could play 4 tables and outplay everyone, but the hourly rate would be so low. its alllll about the hourly rate and besides, i think im getting better and better at outplaying people on more tables. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 4:42pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| Ash256 wrote: | | How long did it take for you to move from low-stakes (<1k br) to where you're at now? Whats your longest breakeven/losing stretch (in hands)? What's the quickest, most effective way of getting better at poker and moving up? |
january 06 i had a 1k BR, roughly
ive had a 100k hand breakeven stretch
spend all your time learning and playing. take shots when you are feeling good and stop playing when you recognize youre not up to the best. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 4:44pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| Galapogos wrote: | Do you think any person capable of undertsanding the game like most of the players that are winners on this site are capable of improving their game to the high stakes levels? Or is there some point where you need that special something extra to surpass?
For instance, I can win a solid rate at 100NL-200NL but when I look at 600NL hands and read the thinking involved it honestly kinda blows my mind sometimes. I don't think I could survive well at that level. |
no, i dont think anyone can do it, but i would say anyone who takes the time to find a poker message board and post a thousand things probably has "it"
just stick to it. realize that there are more factors that go into decisions than you know right now, and figure out what they are. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 4:45pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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float me 100gs?
And Lukie, chill. Maybe he disagrees with you because his style is different. And then again, maybe he's goading you into playing HU with him. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 5:33pm Post subject:
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I understand what you are saying, poker will certainly experience some bumps due to US pressure but I personally believe that european markets will eventually make up for the disproportion of sharks/fish playing from the US market.
In response to the "link?" question - ePassport is gaining popularity, and there was a thread about YouTeller a while back that sounded promising... If there are poker rooms that are willing to accept US players, I do not see why business persons would not make the same sacrafices to reap the insane $$$ benifets of the US market from the e-wallet side of things. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 5:46pm Post subject:
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I don't want to hijack Gabe's thread, but just making these statements
| Quote: | | There will be more companies that step up to provide easy transfer options, and poker popularity should remain stable throughout the restof the world untill US policy changes. |
is at best meaningless and at worst will lead people into the same complacent mindset we had before the bill. You may not remember, but before the bill passed people would make similar statements about how there was OBV no chance it would pass, and people who suggested otherwise were ridiculed. If we had listened, maybe we wouldn't be here. Convention wisdom =! sure thing.
Back to Gabe -
When (if?) you watch High Stakes Poker, do you think:
"Man, I could kill this game"
"Hey, I play just like XXXXXXX"
"MATASOW HU FOR BRS!!!"
"Meh, online is juicier"
"Why don't they show 12 tables at once? |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 7:00pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| What are some of the adjustments MTTers must make in order for them to be successful at ring? Why, in your opinion, are MTTers not able to adjust, but ring players can make the jump to tourneys? |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 7:44pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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| If someone is lagging it up and calling threebets OOP with a wide range should you be threebetting more or less? Try to respond in depth because obv there are a lot of variables. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 7:49pm Post subject:
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| Is there something you do when playing badly that - once you notice it - makes you just think "hmmm not my night GG later"? |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 8:20pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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one word to describe your poker game?
one quote or something somebody said or a post that you can look back to and think 'that really changed my perception on how to play'
was it easy to adapt from MTT's to ring games (from when i was a newb i always remember watching your mtt posts/reads and thinking 'wtf does this guy know that i dont?! ' |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 9:17pm Post subject:
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heh. I'll let this get back on topic, but I take some joy in my first ever succesful hijack of a thread... anyway, I'm sure some of my optimisim is rooted in the hope I will be able to be as succesful at poker someday as gabe is now.
A poker related question for gabe:
Have you read NL HE Theory and Practice by Slansky and Miller? And if so, what "level"do most high stake players think on...? Is there really a way to tell ? |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 9:19pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| drmcboy wrote: | Back to Gabe -
When (if?) you watch High Stakes Poker, do you think:
"Man, I could kill this game"
"Hey, I play just like XXXXXXX"
"MATASOW HU FOR BRS!!!"
"Meh, online is juicier"
"Why don't they show 12 tables at once? | ive probably only seen about 2 hours worth of the show, but i dont see why people are saying how the game is so soft. maybe i haven't seen enough of it. i guess the huge pots i've seen weren't played that bad or something. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 9:21pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| Sprayed wrote: | | What are some of the adjustments MTTers must make in order for them to be successful at ring? Why, in your opinion, are MTTers not able to adjust, but ring players can make the jump to tourneys? |
tourney players are so used to playing with shallow stacks that they make huge mistakes when they get to 100bbs. mtt players have to deal with short effective stacks all the time when people buyin short. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 9:25pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | If someone is lagging it up and calling threebets OOP with a wide range should you be threebetting more or less? Try to respond in depth because obv there are a lot of variables. |
eep tough one, especially since i haven't really decided myself. if i respect them then i will just play like normal with one or two light reraises every now and then, but in general i try to not mix it up with someone good. if i think they are a shitty lag i'll start 3 betting them alot and try to get them to start spewing stacks to me.
if stacks are deep and i have position i'll 3 bet more vs anyone, good or bad.
feel free to ask more questions abuot this, i dont feel like writing some essay now but dont mind answering questions. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 9:27pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| Genitruc wrote: | | Is there something you do when playing badly that - once you notice it - makes you just think "hmmm not my night GG later"? |
i dont quit when im playing bad enough. i TRY to, but i dont find myself doing it because i usually convince myself im just running bad and im "due."
there probably should be a good answer here but i just cant think of it |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 9:31pm Post subject:
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| Miffed22001 wrote: | one word to describe your poker game?
one quote or something somebody said or a post that you can look back to and think 'that really changed my perception on how to play'
was it easy to adapt from MTT's to ring games (from when i was a newb i always remember watching your mtt posts/reads and thinking 'wtf does this guy know that i dont?! ' |
-fun
-i cant think of any one in particular that did, but i just saw this one a few months ago and i really like it:
"only pot odds, pot/fold equity, and hand ranges matter. if a hand range is in someway exploitable, exploit it. "
-i was from the rippy school of mtts so i already had that aggresion factor going so it wasn't that hard. the biggest thing was trying to stop spewing so much in situations where i thought i could move people off hands (this was $50nl mind you). like when an ace came i would always raise their 2nd barrel, or if a flush card came i would check raise allin. dumb shit like that got me in trouble early. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 9:37pm Post subject:
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what exactly are the differences between short handed play and fullring? I always hear that there are a lot more edges to push at 6max, could you go into what exactly these edges are, and why they exist?
why cant I beat the softest games in existence? |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 9:44pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| what age did you start playing poker online and how much did you deposit/lose before starting to win? |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 9:50pm Post subject:
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11 OF DIAMONDS
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| If you can think of it, what would you say was the biggest mistake you made during your run? Anything that stands out as you look back and think "wow why did I do that?" |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 10:27pm Post subject:
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| do you feel like you are an example of the american dream? |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 10:55pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| boostNslide wrote: | what exactly are the differences between short handed play and fullring? I always hear that there are a lot more edges to push at 6max, could you go into what exactly these edges are, and why they exist?
why cant I beat the softest games in existence? |
the people who play full ring are used to playing really tight and nitty, so -you cant play the same as you would in a short handed game. (like folding TPTK is standard in so many full ring hands but not nearly as much short handed).
-my guess is that you dont really know the reasons you do things, you just know you are supposed to do thing most of the time so you do it all the time. that probably doesnt make sense but heres an example.
once we were talking about a hand where there were some limpers and the button raised, and the hero just called with AQs in the blinds. you said something like "isnt that a standard reraise v a button raise??"
well yea, if they were the first one in the pot its a standard reraise because their range is so wide. but there range isn't so wide when they are raising behind early position limpers.
also, if the button is raising with a wide range to isolate the limpers because they are fish, you should reraise because its just like a button raise (wide range of hands raising), right???? no, because you want to play pots with the fish, and reraising will drive thme out in this spot. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 10:56pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| Zee Devee wrote: | | what age did you start playing poker online and how much did you deposit/lose before starting to win? |
started a few months after i was 18. i had only played poker a few times but had seen people talking about it in different online forums, then i found this place.
i think i lost $150. then someone from FTR realized that i had potential and staked me in some low limit games. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 10:58pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| givememyleg wrote: | | If you can think of it, what would you say was the biggest mistake you made during your run? Anything that stands out as you look back and think "wow why did I do that?" |
after i had a terrible day at 25/50, i vowed to play some 10 20 until i got back on track. so next day i played some 10/20, then i saw a juicy 25/50 game and jumped in. i played like an idiot and lost 10k. that loss is not significant in that game but i just felt stupid for taking a shot back to 25/50 when i wasnt even playing good. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 11:01pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| Alibi wrote: | | do you feel like you are an example of the american dream? | no, americans dream of getting good 9-5s with job security and shit |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 11:11pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| What % of your roll do you keep on your poker accounts? |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Mar 2007, 11:19pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| all of it, i dont consider what i take out to be part of roll |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 12:18am Post subject:
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Have you ever played in the WSOP main event?
Would you ever play in the WSOP main event (again)? If no, why not? |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 12:40am Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| i played in the WPT in january and might play in the WSOP one day |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 1:03am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 1:26am Post subject:
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| do you feel more connected to all those rappers who talk about how they've come from the projects and made it big (although chesapeake isn't the projects I guess) |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 1:59am Post subject:
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Full House
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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | who staked you? |
[jack black] me baby, me [\jackblack] |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 2:21am Post subject:
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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | who staked you? |
lol? |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 2:21am Post subject:
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| Alibi wrote: | | do you feel more connected to all those rappers who talk about how they've come from the projects and made it big (although chesapeake isn't the projects I guess) | no doubt |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 2:22am Post subject:
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 2:28am Post subject:
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Gabe- Just browsing msnl and I found a lot of hands where tags did like c/c flop lead turn lead river type lines after being the pfr.
I almost never change initiative more than once during hand- like i might go lead flop lead turn c/r river repping a DB or weak top pair type hand etc etc.
How often do you change initiative during a hand? (basically do you often find yourself say check calling mid pair or tp on a drawy board and leading the turn??)
I feel like this gives a lot of info about my hand as I usually dont want to stack off with mid or TP for 100BB. (usually) |
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i saw somewhere you played BldswtTrs and other top 25/50 ppl hu. how come? was it to learn, or you had an edge..or a combo?
if it was to learn, was it worth sacrificing the game selection for what u learned?
just curious since i might try this out more. btw cool thread. |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 3:47am Post subject:
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Not a thinking person
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| favorite lyrics from Gang Starr's 'Moment of truth'? |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 3:51am Post subject:
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| gabe wrote: | that probably doesnt make sense but heres an example.
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nah it makes perfect sense. I feel like this a lot when I think about my game, kinda a hopeless feeling. I know dont know everythign there is to know, obviously not anywhere close, yet I feel like Im playing to the best of my knowledge. But I think the way Ive approached learning is by over applying "standard" plays, if that makes sense. So now, AQ+ and TT+ is a 3bet hand. When really I should look at some(all?) of that range as a potential 3bet hand, not take all the variables into account and then decide.
Ill revisit this thread when Im not drunk tommorow, good night. |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 3:54am Post subject:
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| Triptan3s wrote: | | favorite lyrics from Gang Starr's 'Moment of truth'? | |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 9:43am Post subject:
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this is an awesome thread.
-what are you going to school for?
-Do you see yourself using your degree, or has the money you've made from poker opened other avenues that you would like to pursue?
-how many hours per week do you spend playing poker? |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 9:44am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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also, youre one of the players i would really enjoy seeing stats and graphs from that i havent ever seen.
lifetime graph? |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 11:14am Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| sauce123 wrote: | Gabe- Just browsing msnl and I found a lot of hands where tags did like c/c flop lead turn lead river type lines after being the pfr.
I almost never change initiative more than once during hand- like i might go lead flop lead turn c/r river repping a DB or weak top pair type hand etc etc.
How often do you change initiative during a hand? (basically do you often find yourself say check calling mid pair or tp on a drawy board and leading the turn??)
I feel like this gives a lot of info about my hand as I usually dont want to stack off with mid or TP for 100BB. (usually) |
-i don't check and raising preflop too much, but i do lead into the aggresor on the flop after they raise pre, or on the turn after they raise pre and bet flop often enough. i like leading with alot of hands on the flop. i bet/3 bet allin alot when im playing loose.
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 11:15am Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| benny999 wrote: | i saw somewhere you played BldswtTrs and other top 25/50 ppl hu. how come? was it to learn, or you had an edge..or a combo?
if it was to learn, was it worth sacrificing the game selection for what u learned?
just curious since i might try this out more. btw cool thread. |
-i felt i was playing really good poker that week and i saw him sitting so i played. maybe i learned some stuff too, i dont know. him and Booosted J were the only people i've played for a long time HU where I probably didn't have an edge. |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 11:21am Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| Triptan3s wrote: | | favorite lyrics from Gang Starr's 'Moment of truth'? |
i like these 2 lines about running bad:
"Sometimes you gotta dig deep, when problems come near
Don't fear things get severe for everybody everywhere"
but these are my fav prob:
"Another fake jack I slay with my spectac' rap display
Styles, smooth but rugged -- you can't push or shove it
You dig it and you dug it cause like money you love it" |
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Flush
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| will you see a dcu game with me this summer |
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EAT BUGS
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| Bode-ist wrote: | this is an awesome thread.
-what are you going to school for?
-Do you see yourself using your degree, or has the money you've made from poker opened other avenues that you would like to pursue?
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-yea its pretty awesome
-you mean why or what am i studying? im here because i feel bad for my parents paying all this money and it would piss them off so much if i didnt get a degree. im studying computer science though. when i first came here i knew more than almost everyone about the subject because i learned about it on my own because i thought it was so interesting and i was sure i was getting a CS job, but then i met poker.
-no, i hope i dont have to ever fill out a resume. poker has not only given me money where i can do other stuff, but its got me thinking and talking to other people about ways to make big money without grinding a job.
--in the past week i've played for 24 hours, which is way more than usual because im probably too focused on winning all this money back. usually i play half that in a week.
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 11:29am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1892
WPP: 109
Location: surfing in a room
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i´ve found myself lately outthinking myself, trying to rep something noone cares about (see here http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/forum/poker-52741.htm)
how much does adjusting your thinking level to your opponents matter?
if so, how do you adjust? what are patterns/tells you look for to figure out, on which level villian thinks?
if in doubt, do you rate them as better or worse as they might be? |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 11:33am Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Posts: 7834
WPP: 52
Location: trying to live
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| Bode-ist wrote: | also, youre one of the players i would really enjoy seeing stats and graphs from that i havent ever seen.
lifetime graph? |
this graph begins in june when i got my computer. theres probably 30k of profit from one computer (maybe 35k hands) not on here and 40k in losses on another computer not on here (maybe 10k hands).
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Posted: Thu, 29 Mar 2007, 11:33am Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Posts: 7834
WPP: 52
Location: trying to live
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