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fjuanl
Post Posted: Sun, 17 Jul 2005, 5:32pm    Post subject: AK is an evil hand Reply with quote
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Its funny, I actually cursed when I got this hand...I hate it at the beginning of tournies. Give me some advice on my play on each street.

hager $ 950.00
fjuanl $ 1,000.00
zig1 $ 980.00
ted21 $ 995.00
Rob550 $ 2,135.00
occassional $ 980.00
Duende $ 1,000.00
ToneTone $ 980.00
Consulato $ 980.00

ted21 Set dealer/Bring in spot 5
Rob550 Ante/Small blind $ 5.00
occassional Big blind/Bring in $ 10.00

Cards dealt to spot : Ace of Clubs King of Spades

Duende Fold
ToneTone Call $ 10.00
Consulato Call $ 10.00
hager Call $ 10.00
fjuanl Raise $ 75.00
zig1 Fold
ted21 Fold
Rob550 Call $ 70.00
occassional Call $ 65.00
ToneTone Fold $ 10.00
Consulato Fold $ 10.00
hager Call $ 65.00
pot = $320.00

***FLOP*** : Ace of Spades Ten of Hearts Five of Clubs
Rob550 Check
occassional Check
hager Bet $ 80.00
fjuanl Raise $ 200.00
Rob550 Fold
occassional Fold
hager Call $ 120.00
pot = $720.00

***TURN*** : Queen of Spades
hager Bet $ 200.00
fjuanl Call $ 200.00
pot = $1,120.00

***RIVER*** : Six of Spades
hager Check
fjuanl Check
pot = $1,120.00
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drmcboy
Post Posted: Sun, 17 Jul 2005, 6:48pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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looks fine to me.
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straight167
Post Posted: Sun, 17 Jul 2005, 8:13pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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looks like...he caught 2 pairs or rivered a flush intending to check raise you??
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fjuanl
Post Posted: Sun, 17 Jul 2005, 8:34pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I didnt have too strong of a read on him but...one of my notes was :

"folded to a raise after limping in"

Since I assume he doesnt play complete trash like some of the fish at the beginning of these tournies, I figured AT, KJ and maybe AQ were possibilities. I can assume he doesnt hold onto A5 or A6 based on his tight play so far. A set is too unlikely based on his passive play so far. With that in mind, is it correct to be betting half of my chips on TPTK?
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Post Posted: Sun, 17 Jul 2005, 8:54pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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if THAT was the note...then u should have went all in after the river after he checked...i think he was afriad that YOU had the flush.
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Post Posted: Sun, 17 Jul 2005, 9:14pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I'm torn between betting this river or even raising this turn.

I can't decide if i'm ahead or not.

I'd probably pull the old limit techinque of "If i'm gonna call a bet on the river, why not throw that bet in on the turn and try to win it/gain more value if i improve on the river" and pump the turn up for 250~300 more then plan on checking behind on the river.

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SnoT_III
Post Posted: Sun, 17 Jul 2005, 10:40pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I think you played it fine. It's definately not the best flop to see for hitting your AK.

I probably would have raised it more pre-flop since there were two limpers, and raised it more on the flop. There is a decent amount of money in the pot and he's getting good odds to call with a wide range of hands. After he puts in his 80 there is 400 in the pot and you only make is 120 more for him to call, which is better than 4 to 1 odds. If he calls the huge re-raise you have to decide if he's just a fishy player calling with Ax or if he hit two pair.
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fjuanl
Post Posted: Mon, 18 Jul 2005, 12:35am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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How big of a raise on the flop? I felt like if I did anything over 200 and got called, I was pretty commited to the pot.
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BuzzOnTilt
Post Posted: Mon, 18 Jul 2005, 9:57am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I think you played this hand incorrectly on the flop.
Lets say your opponent had K-J spades.

First, I think you had a good flop for Big Slick. With top pr Aces and King kicker you need to protect the hand. If someone has K-Js they have a gut shot draw, and a back door flush draw. the gut shot is about 16% or 6-1. your raise of $120 is not enough after he bet $80. he only had $120 to call for $600 at that moment. about 4-1. the odds aren't there for him, however, i don't think your bet represents BigSlick and he might not put you on an Ace. therefore, if he has a K he might count another 3 outs. plus maybe a back door flush draw. after the flop he might have hit the nut straight.

if he was only holding K-9 spades, then he shouldn't have called your bet on the flop but he might have for whatever stupid reason. then on the flop he had a lot of outs.... again your bet wasn't enough to scare him away.

I think you played well... just not aggressive enough. I think you should have bet the pot (320) on the flop and taken it there. i'm sure you're opponent would have folded. instead you made two $200 bets and probably lost.

so what did your opponent have?
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ZenOffsuit
Post Posted: Mon, 18 Jul 2005, 10:27am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I definitely think you were ahead on the flop and as mentioned needed to bet bigger, maybe $200-250. If he calls that type of bet, you may want to slow down on the turn if he checks it to you.
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Aquinas
Post Posted: Mon, 18 Jul 2005, 10:46am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Make it 100 pf and take it down on the flop.
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Post Posted: Mon, 18 Jul 2005, 11:57am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Thanks guys...

I forgot about his pot odds after my raise on the flop...I was just looking at the size of the pot at the moment and decided to make it close to 2/3.

I actually was ahead on the flop but he wouldn't have folded his AQ. Weird play for top two pair, but I'm just glad he didnt bet on the river
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Post Posted: Mon, 18 Jul 2005, 2:32pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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How about some info such as which guy are you?
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Post Posted: Mon, 18 Jul 2005, 2:33pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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the original posters name is fjuanl.

look in the HH, there is a guy named fjuanl. Crazy coincidences aside, Im guessing that they are the same person.
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Post Posted: Mon, 18 Jul 2005, 4:41pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I missed that part. As for the play....

7.5X BB raise? That's seems a little large. Personally, I would also bet the pot. I wouldn't want someone with say ace six to be hanging around to get me on the river.
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fjuanl
Post Posted: Mon, 18 Jul 2005, 5:53pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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When the blinds are that small, 3xbb just doesnt get it done. If I were to raise to 30, I guarantee at least 5 people would call.
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straight167
Post Posted: Mon, 18 Jul 2005, 9:54pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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fjuanl wrote:
Thanks guys...

I forgot about his pot odds after my raise on the flop...I was just looking at the size of the pot at the moment and decided to make it close to 2/3.

I actually was ahead on the flop but he wouldn't have folded his AQ. Weird play for top two pair, but I'm just glad he didnt bet on the river


ohhh indeed he was scared of the flush or straight....

but yea i was right about 2 pairs..even if you pushed him all in, he would hve called (just by looking at how be bets)
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Post Posted: Tue, 19 Jul 2005, 3:09am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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seems odd that he didn't bet out the 2 pair on the river, there is no way that flush should scare him when you reraised the flop after raising preflop. when he bets, calls a raise on the flop, looks like AJ or AQ to me. if he had A10 i think he would have check raised the flop. more or less played it right though, i'd probably suggest raising strong on the flop though, probably 250ish maybe little more
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