A VERY Hypothetical Question

You are third stack in an MTT at the final table. First hand, In the BB you are dealt [Ad,Ah]. Everyone in front of you has pushed all in. Call or fold?

*Last edited by UG on Tue, 22 Feb 2005, 3:17pm; edited 1 time in total*

I go down swinging. CALL.

I don't see how your odds would be "miniscule." You're not dominating going into this, but you're definitely a little better off then the rest of the table.

I go for the gold here.

Fold.

Your aces would only have a miniscule MINISCULE amount of chance to take down the ppot, especially if both the other aces are out (which would be probable if many players are all in).

Also, if you fold you are guaranteed 2nd, which is a big step up payout wise from 3rd, so you won't be getting good odds going for your like 7% chance that your aces will hold up.

What are the stacks? If you have 1 chip and they have a billion, you fold. Especially if their stacks are precisesly equal and you're guarneteed a 2nd place finish.

-'rilla

Hi,

Eight or Nine other players all-in? You know that some players will be busted after this hand and there is such a huge difference in payout between 9th or 10th and 3rd that it's a no-brainer to me assuming you have the third largest stack. If I was a lot lower on the totem pole, of course, it would be different.

I've personally lost so many times with pocket AAs and seen so many other people lose on pocket AA's I would only ever want to be all in heads up against someone going in with pocket AA's.

I was actually going to make a similiar hypothetical post till I read this.

Mine was going to be:

You sit down at the beginning of WSOP which you bought into. Your first hand your dealt AA and somone in front of you goes all in the very first hand.

Call or Fold?

...variation someone goes all in, one other person calles and then its too you with the Rockets on the first hand.

Call or Fold?

You know, I probably fold here. I'm making a crap ton of money when half the table busts on this hand.

Oh, the first hand of the FT. I thought it was down to 3.

Fold, and you figure to be a huge chip dog with still managable blinds (?) and you move way up in the money.

-'rilla

I <3 Poker Stove

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 54.2876 % [ 00.54 00.00 ] { AdAc }
Hand 2: 17.7111 % [ 00.18 00.00 ] { KhKd }
Hand 3: 15.4724 % [ 00.15 00.00 ] { QsQd }
Hand 4: 12.5288 % [ 00.12 00.00 ] { JhJc }

meh, coinflip on who hits their set.

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 89.5735 % [ 00.89 00.00 ] { AdAc }
Hand 2: 02.7354 % [ 00.01 00.01 ] { AhKs }
Hand 3: 02.7354 % [ 00.01 00.01 ] { AsKh }
Hand 4: 02.4779 % [ 00.00 00.02 ] { KcQd }
Hand 5: 02.4779 % [ 00.00 00.02 ] { KdQc }

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I've never won a MTT. That being said, I would imagine all the stacks would be different sizes, and that even if your AA hand lost, with your third-largest-stack you may pick up some side pots with your AA, and put out quite a few other players. Third largest stack probably doesn't guarantee you third place anyway. The only way you are out completely is if stack one or two whack you with the best hand.

But I'd probably fold so I could wind up a probably healthy second-sized stack.

Empir3 Poker /\/\TT

Fold... and then cry when you see the other two aces fall on the flop. :P

most people i know that dont love AA, have been slowplaying them.

you just dont slowplay anything but the nut, and one pair, no matter how high, is NEVER the nut.

ps: If your lucky they both have AK /grin

I've been AK vs the AA and won exactly one time.

i believe this exact situation is cited in sklansky's tournament holdem for advanced players book. he says it's the only situation where it's ever correct to fold aces. the reason being that you automatically go into 2nd place and the monetary award of that move up far outweighs the opportunity cost of not playing the hand. if we are talking WSOP 2004, the monetary value of folding in this spot would have been $1 million.

ChezJ

I think this situation depends on your stack size. If you are the biggest or second biggest stack of all those people going all-in then even if you lose you still finish infront of those small stacks that lost with you. Thus you really only loose one placing if you are the biggest stack of the all of all-in people. You either finish one place further behind than if you folded or win and put yourself in an amazing position to win the tourney.

If you are a small stack though, its probably better to fold it, and get placed higher than you normaly would have in relation to your stack size.

With one AI - I don't care what number hand it is, I'm calling. Did I really read that? LOL, they are ACES.

Two AIs I'm still going for it.

More than that at the final table it gets dicey and comes down to the chance you think you have of winning the thing. If you feel you're one of the weaker players at the FT I think it makes sense to run AA against maybe 4-5 hands (or less). After that I think you've got to give them up.

this depends on stack sizes and payout structure and how many people at the table.

this is the most vague, unanswerable question ever

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