A great tale of poker and some opinions needed.

Ok I guess first just watch the hand and then I will tell you my thoughts. Thanks

***** Hand History for Game 459577584 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Wed Mar 17 02:30:58 EST 2004
Table Table 12349 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Texas_Jason ( $20.15)
Seat 2: ZippyChippy ( $27.85)
Seat 3: BradNole83 ( $28.75)
Seat 4: pizzaserv ( $27.85)
Seat 5: ejbialas ( $133.95)
Seat 6: Me ( $25)
Seat 7: UBISHERE ( $94.13)
Seat 8: BUSTAH13 ( $20.55)
Seat 9: Sed11 ( $24.50)
Seat 10: tlkrxvf ( $33.35)
pizzaserv posts small blind (0.25)
ejbialas posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Me [ Jh, Th ]
Me calls (0.50)
UBISHERE folds.
BUSTAH13 folds.
Sed11 calls (0.50)
tlkrxvf folds.
Texas_Jason calls (0.50)
ZippyChippy folds.
BradNole83 folds.
pizzaserv calls (0.25)
ejbialas checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ts, Td, 2h ]
pizzaserv checks.
ejbialas bets (0.50)
Me calls (0.50)
Sed11 calls (0.50)
Texas_Jason folds.
pizzaserv folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2s ]
ejbialas bets (0.50)
Me raises (1) to 1
Sed11 calls (1)
ejbialas calls (0.50)
** Dealing River ** : [ Tc ]
ejbialas checks.
Me bets (23)
Me is all-In.
Sed11 calls (22.50)
Sed11 is all-In.
ejbialas calls (23)
Creating Main Pot with $71.50 with Sed11
Creating Side Pot 1 with $1 with Me
** Summary **
Main Pot: $71.50 | Side Pot 1: $1 | | Rake: $3
Board: [ Ts Td 2h 2s Tc ]
Texas_Jason balance $19.65, lost $0.50 (folded)
ZippyChippy balance $27.85, didn't bet (folded)
BradNole83 balance $28.75, didn't bet (folded)
pizzaserv balance $27.35, lost $0.50 (folded)
ejbialas balance $108.95, lost $25 [ 3d 3c ] [ a full house, Tens full of threes -- Ts,Td,Tc,3d,3c ]
Me balance $72.50, bet $25, collected $72.50, net +$47.50 [ Jh Th ] [ four of a kind, tens -- Jh,Th,Ts,Td,Tc ]
UBISHERE balance $94.13, didn't bet (folded)
BUSTAH13 balance $20.55, didn't bet (folded)
Sed11 balance $0, lost $24.50 [ Ac Ad ] [ a full house, Tens full of aces -- Ac,Ad,Ts,Td,Tc ]
tlkrxvf balance $33.35, didn't bet (folded)

Now wasn't that a great tale? How often you see that? :P

How do you guys play something like this? Personally I never put anybody on quads as a probable hand - it always enters my mind as possible but I never suspect anyone of having it. For this reason I would always call with pocket rockets for the simple reason I would suspect nuts even though it really wasn't. But 3s. How would you guy play 3s? I have seen so many people with a board like that try to buy it and everyone calls and splits it. This is actually the first time I've seen 2 people actually beat the board on a full house. Well a 3rd too - being me. Thank god I was the one with quads. I had a feeling they would both call and not actually have anything special. Could the board have been any better for this hand? lol man I loved it. I was down 34 bucks before I hit this so it made quite a smile on my face. I was reloading anytime I would get down to like 20-23 somewhere because I wanted a full stack to dominate on if the time came. Im glad I did.

This hand makes me sad. You'll see why. Is this crap from people watching the WPT all the time. The same damn thing happened to my bro when he went all in with QQ and some dude actually called him with 55 believe it or not and hit trips on the flop and won. WHO THE HELL CALLS AN ALL IN WITH 55. I know its really good that people do that since we will win in the long run but this was just the most I have ever lost in a single hand so I was a little upset.

Would all of you play this hand the same way after the flop? I never thought he would have anything beating me after the flop. What would you guys have been thinking and done? Thanks

***** Hand History for Game 463566216 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Fri Mar 19 00:03:13 EST 2004
Table Table 12757 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: abearsfan85 ( $38.70)
Seat 2: cochrg ( $22.97)
Seat 3: Me ( $23.50)
Seat 4: dagran ( $44.90)
Seat 5: bigfer ( $12.50)
Seat 6: elmar365 ( $41.57)
Seat 7: cbollack ( $12.45)
Seat 8: magic_4105 ( $54.10)
Seat 9: triposys2 ( $22.28)
Seat 10: tlkrxvf ( $24.25)
magic_4105 posts small blind (0.25)
triposys2 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Me [ Ad, Ah ]
tlkrxvf folds.
abearsfan85 calls (0.50)
cochrg folds.
Me raises (10) to 10
bigfer folds.
elmar365 folds.
cbollack folds.
magic_4105 folds.
triposys2 folds.
abearsfan85 calls (9.50)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8d, 9s, 4s ]
abearsfan85 checks.
Me bets (13.50)
Me is all-In.
abearsfan85 calls (13.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kh ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Kd ]
Creating Main Pot with $45.40 with Me
** Summary **
Main Pot: $45.40 | | Rake: $2.35
Board: [ 8d 9s 4s Kh Kd ]
abearsfan85 balance $60.60, bet $23.50, collected $45.40, net +$21.90 [ 8s 8h ] [ a full house, Eights full of kings -- Kh,Kd,8s,8h,8d ]
cochrg balance $22.97, didn't bet (folded)
Me balance $0, lost $23.50 [ Ad Ah ] [ two pairs, aces and kings -- Ad,Ah,Kh,Kd,9s ]
dagran balance $44.90, sits out
bigfer balance $12.50, didn't bet (folded)
elmar365 balance $41.57, didn't bet (folded)
cbollack balance $12.45, didn't bet (folded)
magic_4105 balance $53.85, lost $0.25 (folded)
triposys2 balance $21.78, lost $0.50 (folded)
tlkrxvf balance $24.25, didn't bet (folded)

Hello BoondockSaint,

That first hand was awesome! Nice job on the all-in on the river. The guy with pocket AA's was probably wishing he never let you see that flop for cheap.

On the second hand, there's nothing you could've done. Your opponent with 88 should have folded on your preflop bet, but going all-in after the flop is exactly what I would have done, too.

I lost AA to 88 this week also, he sucked out an 8 on the river, I had him all in after the flop. These things happen, it's all part of the game.

I don't like the play on the first hand, although it worked out ok in the end. 50c isn't a bet, it's a either a trap, feeler or pathetic plea not to be bet into! AA and 33 each had 2 outs against you after the flop (33 lost his on the turn) and you gave them AMAZING implied odds on their draws (since you probably would be on the hook to pay off the all-in.) You should have pushed the trips a little, half pot or less. The raise on the turn was pointless, they will call the 50c and you gave them information well worth the 50c. Finally, it was an amazing river card that set-up the calls on your all-in (maybe they put you on a 2 or bust hand??) Stronger betting up to that point would have set you up better for going all-in on a blank river. Ok, one more thing... JTo UTG?!?!?

As for the calldown on pocket 3s. TV shows mostly final tables where the most spectacular plays are made with 5 or fewer people at the table. In those situations calling down with a small pocket pair mixed with other information on a very aggressive player can be a solid move. With 3 or few players and a short stack any pocket pair can beta great chance to steal or double up. Weak players see this and don't realize that these are short handed moves, nor do they understand the context of the move. Hence, they try to repeat these moves at a 10 person table often to our benefit.

Onto the second hand. $10 more than protected your hand from 8s calling looking for a set. Heck, $4-$5 would have more than covered you and might have been more likely to grap something other than the blinds. Bad luck and you were pretty much doomed to lose your stack. Unlike the first hand, on each street you had a positive expected value with the information you had.

Funny thing about this game is you can play it right and have it go all wrong and play it wrong and have it go right. Because of this, I see this board is a huge resource for me to focus more on making the right moves and less on short term outcomes. Sorry to beat on you, but your hands illustrate this point very clearly.

he actually had j-t suited, but I see nothing wrong with calling with that hand.

Ok guys. Thanks. Fnord I figured thats where you would see me go wrong in the first hand but I guess I just needed you to tell me. I knew I should of bet it more and the 50 cent raise was kind of pointless. The reason I did it I guess is I'm still too attached to my money. I'm getting a lot better and playing 10x better when there is a lot of action than I used too. When I first started I would have monster hands and a couple people would go in like 2-3 bucks and I would fold out because I didn't want to risk it. Basically I was down 34 dollars when I was dealt this hand for the session and I didnt want people to fold out if I bet too much. I was hoping to get back a good chunk of my 34 on this hand so I slow played when I probably shouldnt have and then made a bad 50 cent reraise. I'm just glad it worked out.

Thanks guys

Oh yeah and my JT was suited but the reason I played it UTG is because on Tysons hand grouping plays on the main page it has limp in with that and you will usually be bet out of the hand and fold to virtually any raise so I just figured I'd limp and see what happened. I'm sure that guy was wishing he didn't slow play the rockets.

Yup, I like playing that hand for cheap. It does have its moments!

Sorry, misread the starting hand. Still a maginal call UTG, but you can do a lot worse Wink

I guess with the pot size smooth calling the flop may not have been a bad play, but more aggression was definately called for on the turn.

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