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Posted: Fri, 19 Oct 2007, 6:00pm Post subject: 600NL HU, flop and river question |
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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Opp is a 6 max reg, somewhat active raising on the BU, isn't threebetting light, although he is calling 100% of my threebets so he probably isn't giving them much credit, and i suspect he's playing some 6 max tables so isn't paying too good attention, and therefore thinks im threebetting lighter than i am.
He's generally passive, often not thin vbetting.
My question is flop and river, i assume people tend to have a pretty balanced frequency of decisions on them.
PokerStars GAME #12725073366: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($3/$6) - 2007/10/19 - 18:04:25 (ET)
Table 'Devota III' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: heybude ($806 in chips)
Seat 2: adsanman12 ($990.50 in chips)
adsanman12: posts small blind $3
heybude: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heybude [Qd Kh]
adsanman12: raises $12 to $18
heybude: raises $48 to $66
adsanman12: calls $48
*** FLOP *** [Ac Kd 6s]
heybude: bets $90
adsanman12: calls $90
*** TURN *** [Ac Kd 6s] [7c]
heybude: checks
adsanman12: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ac Kd 6s 7c] [3s]
heybude: bets $174
Flop I assume we check a good amount but what about river? |
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Posted: Fri, 19 Oct 2007, 8:45pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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| check/call is waaaay better here |
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Posted: Fri, 19 Oct 2007, 11:09pm Post subject: |
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EAT BUGS
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| sauce123 wrote: | | check/raise is waaaay better here |
yea?? |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Oct 2007, 2:02am Post subject: |
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Straight
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
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WPP: 269
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| c/c is way better, I agree. You can't value bet like that on ace high boards. If you want to turn your hand into a bluff, trying to push him off a weaker ace, you also won't suceed because noone believes bet check bet line. |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Oct 2007, 4:27am Post subject: |
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Straight
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| c/c is way better, I agree. You can't value bet like that on ace high boards. If you want to turn your hand into a bluff, trying to push him off a weaker ace, you also won't suceed because noone believes bet check bet line. |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Oct 2007, 5:32am Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
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I guess I shouldn't even post in high stakes but when I first looked at the hand I thought c/f>c/c>b/f>b/c
Torn between c/f and c/c because I couldn't figure out a hand he'd fire with that we beat and it doesn't sound like he's going to turn a hand like 56s into a bluff here. His range is also weird, does it ever include 88/99/broadway gutshots?
Also, would this be considered a "combo bet"? |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Oct 2007, 10:20am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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C/C better cause we get value from his floats with QJ JT QT
we also cant be sure he calls another vbet with KJ KT K9 |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Oct 2007, 10:29am Post subject: |
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EAT BUGS
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| no one likes c/r ?????????? im telling you its sick here |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Oct 2007, 11:01am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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| gabe i dont think AJ folds? |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Oct 2007, 6:29pm Post subject: |
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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| gabe wrote: | | no one likes c/r ?????????? im telling you its sick here |
Oh, i thought u meant c/r flop for the longest time.
Yeah i like c/r river, seems sick depending if he's going to try to value a K. |
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Posted: Sat, 20 Oct 2007, 7:35pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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Posted: Sat, 20 Oct 2007, 11:41pm Post subject: |
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EAT BUGS
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| put all his ranges together, and betting isn't as good as checking, and calling sucks once he bets after we check riv, but his calling range once we c/r is so small that i think you should love c/r hhere |
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Posted: Sun, 21 Oct 2007, 9:54am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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gabe- i think we agree about everything but "his calling range is so small"
tho this might be cause i have such a shitty image |
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Posted: Sun, 21 Oct 2007, 6:14pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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| I used to play with this guy when I played $400NL a while back. He calls preflop 3-bets pretty light (this has nothing to do with you, it's just something he does) and is not very aggressive postflop. Check-calling the river is terrible against this guy because of his passivity. He probably has an ace here and might lay it down if you bluff big on the river. Although better is probably betting big on the turn against him. From what I remember he's more liable to give you credit for a big hand if you appear to be playing it in a straightforward way rather than making "deceptive" plays like checking the turn and betting the river. I remember him making some donkish payoffs when I bet top pair on the flop, checked the turn and then bet the river. |
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Posted: Sun, 21 Oct 2007, 8:04pm Post subject: |
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
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c/r river is sick. gabe i <3 you.
betting river for value is just wayy too thin, i could see him calling worse but also folding better just depending on his mood.
I kinda like the fact you bet the flop because it makes hand reading easier. |
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