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Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 10:11pm Post subject: 2NL Hand From Tonight
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Straight
Joined: 09 Jan 2009
Posts: 115
WPP: 48
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How did i play this?
$0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG 50marian ($1.48)
UTG+1 delwing ($5.00)
MP1 cool32steve ($5.61)
MP2 nirvana606 ($2.59)
MP3 psicoper ($2.00)
CO freddiefrldr ($1.86)
BTN Hero ($2.00)
SB JokerChamp88 ($0.84)
BB Harrison57 ($5.24)
Pre-flop: ($0.03, 9 players) Hero is BTN  
2 folds, cool32steve calls $0.02, nirvana606 raises to $0.04, psicoper calls $0.04, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.16, 2 folds, cool32steve calls $0.14, nirvana606 calls $0.12, psicoper folds
Flop:    ($0.55, 3 players)
cool32steve checks, nirvana606 checks, Hero bets $0.40, cool32steve folds, nirvana606 calls $0.40
Turn:  ($1.35, 2 players)
nirvana606 goes all-in $2.03, Hero goes all-in $1.44
River:  ($4.82, 2 players) |
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Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 11:05pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 03 Aug 2007
Posts: 171
WPP: 95
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| Given there's a limp and a min raise and a flat call, I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish with the 3 bet. Nicely played post flop. |
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Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 11:29pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Posts: 441
WPP: 198
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| imo plenty worse hands will call the 3b so i think this hand is standard. |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Jul 2009, 12:27am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 26 Feb 2009
Posts: 811
WPP: 133
Location: Slowrollin' in the $0.10 DONs 'cause that's what all the cool people on TV do
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not sure what the question would be post flop, since the flop is an obv. bet and the turn is an obv. call.
as far as PF, it's probably easier/less variance poker to flat the min-raise and play for set value and probably more EV to 3b (don't even really know if this counts as a 3b) and take the initiative in a pot with a lot of dead money in it when we have a solid hand |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Jul 2009, 5:04am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Posts: 277
WPP: 90
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| I'd flat it preflop, but I'm not sure if that's the correct move in any case. Would play the same postflop. |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Jul 2009, 7:40am Post subject:
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Two Pair
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
Posts: 40
WPP: 77
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id flat preflop too, but i play pretty tight (also 2nl).
what would you have done if the flop came Jd 8d Kh |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Jul 2009, 7:58am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 22 Aug 2007
Posts: 290
WPP: 105
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I would not have raised pre. It reopens the betting for all and you might get a re re re raise. Even the call pre does not end the betting so without a bit of a read on MP1 saying he will only call I would fold here. Its nice to have position but the majority of times you will be facing a bet into a large pot that has overcards to your middle pair.
The check call all in is a strange play, the 4 is unlikely to have helped he cant have check called with a pair of fours.
I would make the call and hope i dont see A4 diamonds, probably the only holding that agrees with such an odd villain betting pattern. |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Jul 2009, 9:21am Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 13 Mar 2009
Posts: 107
WPP: 54
Location: NY
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you're preflop line is good. abuse the hell out of that button.
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I would not have raised pre. It reopens the betting for all and you might get a re re re raise.
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if this happens and you are up against a powerhouse such (AA, KK, QQ, maybe JJ) and you hit your set, you're stacking villain 100% of the time.
should you bet this flop? absolutely. you get paid off by all the Kx, Jx, AQ, A10, and random flush draws.
bet .45 or .50 on the flop so your stack is set up for a pot sized shove on a blank turn.
on the turn instacall and hope for a blank river.
i don't care about the river and you should have blanked it out. you made the right decision and you shouldn't be results oriented. |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Jul 2009, 3:55pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Posts: 441
WPP: 198
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| mbiz wrote: |
what would you have done if the flop came Jd 8d Kh |
what if the flop came 222? 592? KJQmono?
it really doesnt matter. we have a large amount of equity vs their 3b (really its just a bet) calling ranges and can position rape anyone so that we lose the least on bad boards and gain the most on good boards.
| Quote: | | I would not have raised pre. It reopens the betting for all and you might get a re re re raise. Even the call pre does not end the betting so without a bit of a read on MP1 saying he will only call I would fold here. |
what hands limp/minraise/call a minraise? how many of those are likely to 4b oop? and wats that about folding? never fold {acronym Renton hates}
| Quote: | | the majority of times you will be facing a bet into a large pot that has overcards |
if we raise and take the initiative, we will rarely, if ever, be facing a donk bet. |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Jul 2009, 4:12pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 952
WPP: 70
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| 3-betting preflop is standard |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Jul 2009, 4:16pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Posts: 952
WPP: 70
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| some of you are way to nitty |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Jul 2009, 4:19pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 26 Feb 2009
Posts: 811
WPP: 133
Location: Slowrollin' in the $0.10 DONs 'cause that's what all the cool people on TV do
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| littleogre wrote: | | 3-betting preflop is standard |
wellllll i wouldn't word it quite like that. "3-betting" in this exact scenario (which is not at all a standard scenario) is standard, but like JKDS and i have both said this isn't really a 3b. the fish's min PFR like doesn't count as a bet and none of the other fish are gonna treat it like a PFR, so we're not dealing with 3b continuing ranges and all that crap. our bet is basically just a big PFR that was justified by a couple of other "big limps" you might call it. |
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Posted: Wed, 01 Jul 2009, 7:42pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 19 Nov 2008
Posts: 813
WPP: 69
Location: in my dad's account making him manies
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| 3betting is bad because people's calling ranges do pretty well against 99. If you don't flop a set and there's an over (J for example) you'll be cbetting repping a relatively narrow value range while your hand has little equity. |
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