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Posted: Fri, 06 Nov 2009, 1:46am Post subject: 25NL turn sucks?
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 19 May 2009
Posts: 87
WPP: 80
Location: Winter Park
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CO was kind of a shortstack shove monkey, MP was a freakin station 38/2 over 50h.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP ($22.25)
CO ($6.85)
Button ($25)
SB ($15.60)
BB ($35.90)
Hero (UTG) ($26.55)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , K
Hero bets $1, MP calls $1, CO calls $1, 3 folds
Flop: ($3.35) A, 10, J (3 players)
Hero bets $2.50, MP calls $2.50, 1 fold
Turn: ($8.35) K
gotta bet the turn right? but how much? |
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Posted: Fri, 06 Nov 2009, 4:09am Post subject:
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One Pair
Joined: 16 Feb 2009
Posts: 24
WPP: 98
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| So CO has $3.35 left right?? Well then you are going to try and get the money in regardless, so I would check turn and see if he wants to rep the queen, he if checks behind then just shove him in on the river. Because i don't think he is calling without a Q often but when checked might think you were just making a c-bet? and shove the turn. I don't the value of betting the turn tbh? |
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Posted: Fri, 06 Nov 2009, 9:20am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Posts: 440
WPP: 196
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CO folded :/
Definately a bet imo, MP can have a bunch of weak ass hands here as well as some flush draws and probably doesnt raise those. If we're lucky, he'd only raise the turn with Qx hands...but he probably does it with his JT, KJ, KT, AT, AJ hands as well...
Cuz of that, we probably have to call a raise (maybe even shove over) so i bet like 6 or so, hes got 13 left so probably call a raise or just get it in on a buncha rivs. |
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Posted: Fri, 06 Nov 2009, 11:55am Post subject:
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One Pair
Joined: 16 Feb 2009
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| it was earlier i was tired, i am going to delete my post now.... |
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Posted: Fri, 06 Nov 2009, 12:20pm Post subject:
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One Pair
Joined: 03 Nov 2009
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WPP: 116
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I agree with JKDS, bet turn, infact, shove turn since opponent only has $3.35 left. Pot is too large to fold for $3.35, given villain could have a flush draw.
Not betting the turn gives a flush draw free outs, which he may very well choose to take. You also don't want to give him a walk to a split pot either. Bet max. If villain had a larger stack, it'd be a different story. |
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Posted: Fri, 06 Nov 2009, 12:37pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 08 Oct 2008
Posts: 1434
WPP: 99
Location: Boxing Kirby's -> (@'.')@ @('.'@)
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Altruist, you're misreading the HH, villain isn't the CO anymore, he has ~19 left b4 we bet, I bet the turn, calling a shove, and betting the river if just called on turn. EZ game.
Edit: Anywhere from 5-7 is good on the turn, setting up an easy shove. |
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Posted: Fri, 06 Nov 2009, 1:58pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 25 Sep 2005
Posts: 3542
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Location: The Grind
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| We should be setting up the river pot so that it's slightly more than the remaining stacks. Then we can decide between shoving or check/calling depending on what we know about our opponent, etc. |
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Posted: Fri, 06 Nov 2009, 3:41pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 31 Oct 2008
Posts: 414
WPP: 150
Location: Between a couple of points.
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Just so I can understand this:
So are we not worried about villain having a Q? Or is there so much more in his range besides a Q that we have to proceed like we are ahead? |
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Posted: Fri, 06 Nov 2009, 4:32pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 08 Oct 2008
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Location: Boxing Kirby's -> (@'.')@ @('.'@)
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Basically, hes going to have a ton of two pair, pair + FD, etc in his range that it makes it profitable to continue to bet here. Besides, even if he as a Q, we haz 4 outs!  |
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Posted: Fri, 06 Nov 2009, 5:02pm Post subject:
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High Card
Joined: 15 Mar 2009
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WPP: 187
Location: England
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This is the kind of spot where betting is best. You don't want to check the turn and have him check behind a hand like 2 pair he may call a bet with, or draw to a flush for free. He's a calling station. Give him something to call.
| Code: | 7,348 games 0.001 secs 7,348,000 games/sec
Board: Ah Ts Js Kc
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 64.392% 59.15% 05.25% 4346 385.50 { AsKh }
Hand 1: 35.608% 30.36% 05.25% 2231 385.50 { A2s+, KQs, KTs, Q9s+, JTs, 98s, A2o+, KQo, KTo, Q9o+, JTo, 98o }
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Bet $5.50 on the turn, if they flat then the pot on the river is $19.35 and villain with $13.25 behind, ship the rest in. If villain ships the turn meh, you're calling it off with $13.25 into $32.60 which is pretty reasonable against a range that has more than a touch of retard to it, and if he has the straight just spike an A or K. EZ game. |
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Posted: Fri, 06 Nov 2009, 5:25pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
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If we use ABCD you now have a B hand against a calling station. Pot control it.. there may be some thin value on the river.
Check/fold turn. If he checks turn, bet/fold river. |
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Posted: Fri, 06 Nov 2009, 6:01pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 08 Oct 2008
Posts: 1434
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Location: Boxing Kirby's -> (@'.')@ @('.'@)
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| I don't think you see how much value we are missing by checking this turn Outlaw. He's calling with so much worse (keywords here are: CALLING STATION) all day. Its obv not a mistake to check here, but if we want to get maximum value out of our hand, we have to bet enough to get stacks in on the river. You're giving up too much to FDs, and giving other two pairs infinite odds to draw against our hand. That plus the fact we have 4 outs (give or take) + possibly 3 outs to chop = this is a bet. |
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Posted: Fri, 06 Nov 2009, 7:09pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 26 Feb 2009
Posts: 801
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Location: Slowrollin' in the $0.10 DONs 'cause that's what all the cool people on TV do
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| Outlaw wrote: | If we use ABCD you now have a B hand against a calling station. Pot control it.. there may be some thin value on the river.
Check/fold turn. If he checks turn, bet/fold river. |
using the term "pot control" when we're playing against stations with a hand that's going to call down with a plethora of worse hands isn't often a good idea. let's go get AJ, AT, KJ, KT, JT, and sometimes various other Ax's stack and squeeze one more street of value out of a chasing FD. |
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Posted: Fri, 06 Nov 2009, 10:15pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 19 May 2009
Posts: 87
WPP: 80
Location: Winter Park
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| K so say we bet 5.50$ and he just calls, river is 7h. Pot=$19.35 and we have $17.55 opp has $13.25. If we bet he can shove over ez, if we check he can shove over ez. Can we really fold in either scenario, pretty much if he has Q its just GG yeah? |
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Posted: Fri, 06 Nov 2009, 11:14pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 25 Sep 2005
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Location: The Grind
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@dranger, I think checking the turn is a pretty big mistake. Also it took me like 10 minutes to find a picture that really helped to express how I feel. |
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Posted: Fri, 06 Nov 2009, 11:21pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 05 Jan 2009
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Location: sigh..nit ring
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lmfao ^
definately bet the turn for value, and never give villain credit for turning a made hand into a bluff if you get raised. (same goes for if he has a flush draw etc) |
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Posted: Sat, 07 Nov 2009, 3:12am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 10 Aug 2007
Posts: 3386
WPP: 82
Location: the ether
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| I like bet-folding the turn $5. Villain is never bluffing as a raise here, but calls his flush draws/weaker two pairs/random aces here a bunch. |
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