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Posted: Mon, 30 Jun 2008, 7:52pm Post subject: 200NL - TPTK facing turn shove
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High Card
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Posts: 3
WPP: 56
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Hello,
villain is fairly unknown but seems TAGish.
Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter
BB: $235.75
Hero (UTG): $254.40
MP: $101.15
CO: $156.35
BTN: $85.15
SB: $211.50
Pre-Flop: As Qd dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $6, 4 folds, BB calls $4
Flop: ($13) Qh 4s 7h (2 Players)
BB bets $8, Hero raises to $24, BB raises to $58, Hero calls $34
Turn: ($129) 4h (2 Players)
BB bets $171.75 and is All-In, Hero ??? |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Jun 2008, 8:08pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 384
WPP: 89
Location: On Tony Romo's nuts
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| Goddamn he has a set of 7's. |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Jun 2008, 8:34pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 3580
WPP: 80
Location: emo-kid
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| pretty easy fold after that action. i might even fold to his flop 3bet. |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Jun 2008, 8:53pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Posts: 3107
WPP: 160
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| Fold all day. He probably had you beat already, and the flush got there AND the board paired without helping you out. |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Jun 2008, 11:33pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
Posts: 1594
WPP: 117
Location: getting my swell on
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| |~|ypermegachi wrote: | | pretty easy fold after that action. i might even fold to his flop 3bet. |
i agree. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jul 2008, 6:53am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
Posts: 1334
WPP: 83
Location: Deventer
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Having some stats or reads on a villain is crucial to continue the hand after the flop 3bet.
"Villain seems TAGish" is a bit too vague, but often you have to make assumptions.
Here is some analysis on possible flop 3bet ranges:
33/77/maybe some AQ/maybe some air - I think this is the standard range for a standard TAG here as he has no FD's in his range. Without assuming villain has a lot air in his range, it's a muck...you more or less have a bluff catcher.
Also note that having i.e. AA against this range it isn't much better if you assume villain won't b/3b AQ.
same as above + 87s-JTs - Villain has a FD half the time he has a set, so you still can't call, unless his air range is big.
same as first + AJs, 54s-JTs Villain has an 8 out draw as often as a set. This is still a possible range, although slightly looser then standard TAG.
You can go wider with possible FD's if you want, but villain being OOP I can't see it being that wide.
Based on your view of villain this should be a pretty easy flop fold unless you think he's raising a lot of air, which imo is very unlikely considering his line and betsizes. With the turn completing the flush that is an even easier fold. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jul 2008, 7:28am Post subject:
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High Card
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Posts: 3
WPP: 56
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| Thank you very much guys, especially to minSim for the in-depth analysis! |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jul 2008, 7:52am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 29 Oct 2007
Posts: 424
WPP: 68
Location: Rotterdam, Holland
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weird play by villain...
hard without reads, but normally I dont think this is a set of 7's which turned into a full house a lot. I mean why overbet turn when you just got 3bet and you're almost sure your opponent will put in more money on its own?
Then again, why only 3bet that low on flop? that hardly gives fold equity and seems more like a made hand.
So his flop play and turn play contradict eachother as far as I'm concerned which makes it hard to put him on a hand, but you're not doing to well against his range of all possible hands, so have to agree on a fold and perhaps even to the flop 3bet
We cant forget to put 56 of hearts in his range... |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jul 2008, 11:31am Post subject: Re: 200NL - TPTK facing turn shove
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 4170
WPP: 77
Location: Dublin
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| ChrisTC wrote: |
Flop: ($13) Qh 4s 7h (2 Players)
BB bets $8, Hero raises to $24, BB raises to $58, Hero calls $34
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I think we can safely assume opp isnt bluffing here without decent equity.
Vs 77,44,AhKh,AhQh,AhJh,KQs,65s,KQo
We are 52%
Imo id say his range is tighter than that, i doubt a tagfish can 3bet bluff here. so i fold to his 3bet |
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