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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 1:34am Post subject: 2 interesting river decisions
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Straight Flush
Joined: 02 May 2006
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Location: slow motion
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first session up at 100nl
1)villain is unknown, only his 2nd hand at the table. The hand before this i took down a good size pot where the same villain folded to a river bet where i had a set of Jacks on a JTxxKr board.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
Hero ($184.25)
SB ($100)
BB ($50)
UTG ($20)
MP ($187.40)
CO ($43.35)
Preflop: Hero is Button with T , T .
3 folds, Hero raises to $4, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold.
Flop: ($9) Q , K , 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.
Turn: ($9) T (2 players)
SB bets $6, Hero raises to $20, SB calls $14.
River: ($49) A (2 players)
SB bets $36, Hero ???
2)Villain is pretty much unknown but seems like a pretty big donk over 15 hands. hes running like 16/10 but just seems bad.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
Hero ($213.85)
SB ($103.10)
BB ($113.15)
UTG ($25.55)
MP ($225.25)
CO ($94.50)
Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J.
3 folds, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BB calls $3.
Flop: ($8.50) 3, 3, 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB calls $6.
Turn: ($20.50) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $13.5, BB calls $13.50.
River: ($47.50) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $89.65 (All-In), Hero ??? |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 1:40am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 02 May 2006
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Location: slow motion
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| villains river shove in hand 2 is insta insta insta shove |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 1:42am Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 14 Nov 2005
Posts: 154
WPP: 102
Location: not playing much
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those are tough spots
on the first i think i cry and call - i think we see a J here half the time and a 2pr/bluff the other half
on the second i think i cry and fold - A high is all we beat or flush draw maybe |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 1:47am Post subject:
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Full House
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Location: Green Bay
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hand 1: idk i dont hate a call, this is 2 pair a lot and sometimes like an ace that hit and had a flush draw before. i think its pretty close between call and fold where it probably doesnt matter too much.
hand 2: fold. overbets from bad players tend to be big hands. only hand i really see him bluffing with is 22 but i dont see that instainsta shoving. edit: actually could be a bluffed fd too but i still think fold. |
Last edited by EzDuzIt on Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 1:48am; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 1:47am Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 14 Nov 2005
Posts: 154
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Location: not playing much
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| bode wrote: | | villains river shove in hand 2 is insta insta insta shove |
against a donk i think this is strength more often. a better player might be thinking "2 pair board he has to fold like 90% of his range here i'mallin"
i dunno he has to b bluffing a lot for us to call here |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 6:01am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
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1) I think I probably muck, there's a good few ways he could have a J.
2) Fold the river, he has a 7. More importantly, when you have an overpair against donks, make your flop bet $7.5, then your turn bet $21.5 into $23, then holy moly we have a PSB left on the river. |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 11:42am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 25 Jul 2005
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I think we have to call hand 1, it looks like a blocking bet enough of the time with 2p or an ace.
For Hand 2, I agree, muck. |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 11:46am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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| dev wrote: | I think we have to call hand 1, it looks like a blocking bet enough of the time with 2p or an ace.
For Hand 2, I agree, muck. |
blocking bets usually arent 3/4 pot. |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 11:52am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
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1) this is a pretty sick spot. i call, but i a complete station. btw, why didnt you cbet this flop??
2) fold. nothing you can do. |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 11:54am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| dev wrote: | I think we have to call hand 1, it looks like a blocking bet enough of the time with 2p or an ace.
For Hand 2, I agree, muck. |
i dont think an ace is ever betting this river. now that i think about it, this is probably a JT, QJ hand. gawd, still cant get myself to click fold. |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 12:51pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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| will641 wrote: | | 1) this is a pretty sick spot. i call, but i a complete station. btw, why didnt you cbet this flop? |
i wanted to keep lower PP's around and felt like cbetting this flop im folding out everything i beat |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 3:08pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| bode wrote: | | dev wrote: | I think we have to call hand 1, it looks like a blocking bet enough of the time with 2p or an ace.
For Hand 2, I agree, muck. |
blocking bets usually arent 3/4 pot. |
But if he actually has 2p or an ace here, it's enough so that he can save the rest of his stack if you push. If his other option is to check, then he's either letting you bluff him off because of weakness, or he's trying to make a call with a hand that only beats a bluff. From his perspective, this can be a decent blocking bet, size and all. |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 9:21pm Post subject:
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Full House
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hand one is a fold because its not like he's merging his range against you.
hand two i kinda sorta wanna call without the timing tell, but with it i wanna call more. if it is truly insta insta insta then villain knew he was doing it before the card hit, and that makes it a call. |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Mar 2008, 10:26pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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| wufwugy wrote: | hand one is a fold because its not like he's merging his range against you.
hand two i kinda sorta wanna call without the timing tell, but with it i wanna call more. if it is truly insta insta insta then villain knew he was doing it before the card hit, and that makes it a call. |
hand 2 was as insta as it gets. the river card fell and villains stack went in. I tanked for a minute and called and villain flipped AQ no FD.
hand 1 i folded and villain said i would be sick if he told me what he had, but i think he had a JQ/JK for sure. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 7:48pm Post subject:
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Full House
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Posted: Mon, 31 Mar 2008, 8:16pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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Location: Ballarat, Australia
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| I woulda sworn hand 2 was a busted FD. |
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