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Posted: Thu, 02 Jul 2009, 2:55am Post subject: 2/4: strange line river bluff
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One Pair
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
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WPP: 87
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Villain is 21/16 reg. I think he wasn't expecting to see a raise and I don't think his bet was meant to induce anything. Anyone like a call instead? This river actually hits my range somewhat nicely (AT/JJ/T9). I don't think he expects me to bluff the river after checking behind turn. Kind of a level spot.
I'm such a monkey sometimes, and why did I even open this crap UTG lol? It was a really weak table fwiw.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP ($735.90)
CO ($496.10)
Button ($400)
SB ($468.25)
BB ($90.90)
Hero (UTG) ($640.30)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3 , 5
Hero bets $14, 3 folds, SB calls $12, 1 fold
Flop: ($32) 3 , 4 , Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $22, SB calls $22
Turn: ($76) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
River: ($76) J (2 players)
SB bets $28, Hero raises to $145 |
Last edited by pocketfours on Thu, 02 Jul 2009, 4:05am; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Thu, 02 Jul 2009, 3:56am Post subject:
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Strike 3
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| I don't like a call, he could be value betting Jx |
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Posted: Thu, 02 Jul 2009, 4:52am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 19 Nov 2008
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Location: in my dad's account making him manies
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Already saw results before you edited so not going to say anything but honestly I feel like this is one of those you know your opponent/table/dynamic so we don't so we can't really offer much constructive or appropriate.
EDIT: Also why would you call? You can beat only a pure bluff while raising gets him to fold his pure bluffs while also folding some better hands that beat you with the added Bonus of you not having to showdown, what am I missing? |
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Posted: Thu, 02 Jul 2009, 7:15am Post subject:
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One Pair
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| Parasurama wrote: | | Also why would you call? |
The flop was drawy, the odds are great and most importantly, we have got ourselves a pair. |
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Posted: Thu, 02 Jul 2009, 8:26am Post subject:
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Full House
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Location: in my dad's account making him manies
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| So basically you're saying this was purely a brag post |
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Posted: Thu, 02 Jul 2009, 3:59pm Post subject:
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One Pair
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| Parasurama wrote: | | So basically you're saying this was purely a brag post |
Why? I didn't call did I? |
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Posted: Thu, 02 Jul 2009, 4:21pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| Well you played a shitty hand UTG, bluffed a scary board, totally owning your opponent, and like I said I don't think there can be a serious constructive discussion about this hand (I'll admit I could be wrong about this). All of that = brag post. |
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Posted: Thu, 02 Jul 2009, 5:13pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
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Location: Toronto'ish
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I'd almost like this more if he bet like 45ish. My concern now is that he levels himself into a call cause he bet so small.
Though I kinda like this really. Seems like a decent board and the cards came out such that his value range might be reasonably narrow, and you can rep a decent amount of legit hands.
It's decent cause I also doubt he bets so small with QJ or KQ. |
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Posted: Thu, 02 Jul 2009, 7:24pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: over there
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| Anything he's calling with he would have VB bigger |
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Posted: Thu, 02 Jul 2009, 8:29pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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I'd raise smaller but yeah this seems fine. I wish he bet bigger though he may convince himself to call now.
Obv fold pre though |
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Posted: Thu, 02 Jul 2009, 9:32pm Post subject:
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One Pair
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| Parasurama wrote: | | Well you played a shitty hand UTG, bluffed a scary board, totally owning your opponent, and like I said I don't think there can be a serious constructive discussion about this hand (I'll admit I could be wrong about this). All of that = brag post. |
Sorry for posting then. |
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Posted: Thu, 02 Jul 2009, 9:58pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
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| I usually like these raises. Small bets are usually what they rep, which is not very strong. The problem is i have no idea what to put him on given preflop (how does he one pair that he's v-betting?). |
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Posted: Thu, 02 Jul 2009, 10:02pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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| Parasurama wrote: | | Well you played a shitty hand UTG, bluffed a scary board, totally owning your opponent, and like I said I don't think there can be a serious constructive discussion about this hand (I'll admit I could be wrong about this). All of that = brag post. |
Posts like this are why nutsinho left |
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Posted: Thu, 02 Jul 2009, 10:22pm Post subject:
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Season VIII
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Location: Im opedipus bitch, the original balla.
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| Massimo wrote: | | Parasurama wrote: | | Well you played a shitty hand UTG, bluffed a scary board, totally owning your opponent, and like I said I don't think there can be a serious constructive discussion about this hand (I'll admit I could be wrong about this). All of that = brag post. |
Posts like this are why nutsinho left |
this. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 12:21am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 19 Nov 2008
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Location: in my dad's account making him manies
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| pocketfours wrote: | | Parasurama wrote: | | Also why would you call? |
The flop was drawy, the odds are great and most importantly, we have got ourselves a pair. |
Alright I'll admit I overreacted/misunderstood but this response tilted me and just really made me feel like this question wasn't serious at all. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 1:07am Post subject:
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2009
Joined: 16 Feb 2007
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Location: bluffing scare cards
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You can have A10 of hearts or JJ.
Does he fold KQ/KJ cause I expect him to have that a lot. It also should be mentioned that he can have more strong hands on the river than you can based on action which makes me not want to attempt to get him off shit. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 1:19am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
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Location: Montreal
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any reason why we're not betting the turn here?
and im indifferent about the river raise...its okay vs most |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 1:37am Post subject:
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One Pair
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| meeloche wrote: | You can have A10 of hearts or JJ.
Does he fold KQ/KJ cause I expect him to have that a lot. It also should be mentioned that he can have more strong hands on the river than you can based on action which makes me not want to attempt to get him off shit. |
Thanks for correcting my range. I didn't see that I can't have T9. Actually I might sometimes check behind ATs no hearts and sometimes bet ATs hearts. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 1:44am Post subject:
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One Pair
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| Alexos wrote: | | any reason why we're not betting the turn here? |
I never open this wide UTG so I guess I was in a BU mindset where I check behind for pot control and free card. We should def be betting the turn. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 1:52am Post subject:
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One Pair
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| The more I think about this hand the more I hate the raise. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 7:57am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
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Location: Toronto'ish
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| meeloche wrote: |
Does he fold KQ/KJ cause I expect him to have that a lot. It also should be mentioned that he can have more strong hands on the river than you can based on action which makes me not want to attempt to get him off shit. |
Based on the actual board and lines taken I agree with this. But I don't agree with this after villain's sizing. Unless I had some read that villain likes to make small bets with big hands to induce or something. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 1:37pm Post subject:
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2009
Joined: 16 Feb 2007
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Location: bluffing scare cards
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| pocketfours wrote: | | meeloche wrote: | You can have A10 of hearts or JJ.
Does he fold KQ/KJ cause I expect him to have that a lot. It also should be mentioned that he can have more strong hands on the river than you can based on action which makes me not want to attempt to get him off shit. |
Thanks for correcting my range. I didn't see that I can't have T9. Actually I might sometimes check behind ATs no hearts and sometimes bet ATs hearts. |
Thats just how I would view your range I guess you could have 910 i would heavily discount it though based that you're utg and how I expect that you were playing which is probably not crazy laggy.
| griffey24 wrote: | | meeloche wrote: |
Does he fold KQ/KJ cause I expect him to have that a lot. It also should be mentioned that he can have more strong hands on the river than you can based on action which makes me not want to attempt to get him off shit. |
Based on the actual board and lines taken I agree with this. But I don't agree with this after villain's sizing. Unless I had some read that villain likes to make small bets with big hands to induce or something. |
I don't think we can discount that based on sizing since p4's hand doesn't look very strong at all. |
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