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| Button has QcQh, BB has AhKh |
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| Button has Ad8d, BB has 8h8c |
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| Button has AcKs, BB has 8s7s |
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| Button has QcQh, BB has QdQs |
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| Button has 8d9c, BB has TcTs |
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| Button has KcKh, BB has AcAd |
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| Button has KsJs, BB has QcJc |
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| Button has 8s7s, BB has AdQd |
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| Button has Kc9s, BB has 7s7c |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 7:42am Post subject: 2/4: 4bet pot deep
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One Pair
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WPP: 87
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Here's a quiz for the ones with too much time on their hands.
I'm on the button, villain is a good reg 25/22 with 9% 3-bet.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($930)
SB ($697.30)
BB ($699.10)
UTG ($328.20)
MP ($74)
CO ($1401.60)
Preflop:
3 folds, Button bets $8, 1 fold, BB raises to $40, Button raises to $112, BB calls $72
Flop: ($226) 6 , K, 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Button checks
Turn: ($226) 10 (2 players)
BB checks, Button checks
River: ($226) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Button bets $208, BB raises to $587.10 (All-In), Button calls $379.10
Total pot: $1400.20 | Rake: $3 |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 8:04am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
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After a mild headache.. I vote
Button has 8s7s, BB has AdQd. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 8:08am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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Location: Pwnsylvania
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Waiting on Fed to kick some ass, so I'll give ya a go
Ad8d vs 8h8c intrigues me here, this option makes the least sense, which means it actually makes the most sense b/c the HH as played makes ZERO sense. My biggest drawback on this hand and the K9o vs. 77 option is that I'm not certain how often (or how optimal) the BB is 3betting these hands PF, specifically his reaction vs. a minraise.
8s7s vs AdQd makes sense postflop, although I doubt you're 4betting 87s, make it 87o and I like this option a lot more.
QQ vs QQ makes sense in the fact that:
a. PF makes sense
b. 2 medium-strength showdown hands which get to a river. BB realized BTN is value-betting thin, doesn't think he'll make a tough call.
Ruling out you holding AK,KK,89o b/c of flop/turn action (and PF sometimes too with AK) and KsJs b/c of PF as well (same reasoning w/ 87s, hands play better as a flat in my mind at least).
fuck this shit, let's just go grab some sushi in LV! |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 8:29am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| bigspenda73 wrote: |
8s7s vs AdQd makes sense postflop, although I doubt you're 4betting 87s, make it 87o and I like this option a lot more.
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You could be right about this.
I just think BB having QQ on the river is the perfect card to simply c/c, so I think I want to rule out all QQ for BB.
I think Button will bet any K by the turn, so rule out all K's forbutton, including KK.
I think Button would definitely bet 89 on turn if he had it, so rule out 89.
So now we're left with my choice from before and:
Btn: QQ, BB: AKhh I think this option actually makes some sense, given stack sizes, that BB can show up with AK here and he turns hearts and doesn't feel the need to lead here. River QQ finally goes for some value and AK c/bombs.
Btn: Ad8d, BB:88 This option also makes some sense, though I feel like Btn would still bet this hand the majority of the time onthe flop, regardless of how much is behind. This hand is possible though, and BB decides to turn 88 into a bluff on the river which seems valid.
I think if I was going to change my vote I'd actually change it to A) now, since I think its more likely that AKhh chooses to flat OOP given stacks pre, than the nut FD not betting this flop. It's close between those two though, and I cancel my 8s7s vote. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 8:39am Post subject:
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Strike 3
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what about 97s, some people flat those to 3bs, but I don't know whether op would (actually this deep he would)
button can obviously have QQ/JJ as well because BB's raise wouldn't be QQ so QQ=JJ here I think |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 9:26am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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WPP: 76
Location: over there
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| I think someone played bad in every one of those options. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 11:13am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
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WPP: 60
Location: Montreal
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| griffey24 wrote: | After a mild headache.. I vote
Button has 8s7s, BB has AdQd. |
yah, and id fold if I were BTN |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 3:26pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 19 Nov 2008
Posts: 813
WPP: 69
Location: in my dad's account making him manies
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 5:06pm Post subject:
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One Pair
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| Alexos wrote: | | griffey24 wrote: | After a mild headache.. I vote
Button has 8s7s, BB has AdQd. |
yah, and id fold if I were BTN |
Fold a straight in a 4bet pot? I don't like that fold. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 5:26pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: Montreal
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| pocketfours wrote: | | Alexos wrote: | | griffey24 wrote: | After a mild headache.. I vote
Button has 8s7s, BB has AdQd. |
yah, and id fold if I were BTN |
Fold a straight in a 4bet pot? I don't like that fold. |
trips.. w/e same thing |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 5:41pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: Montreal
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yah 89o vs TT makes sense too
either way they got flush or boat so we b/f those shipp the hand reading when they show AJo |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 7:41pm Post subject:
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| Props to spenda and griffey for solid thinking and good comments. Props to iopq and para for having the best taste in women. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 7:59pm Post subject:
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| pocketfours wrote: | | Props to spenda and griffey for solid thinking and good comments. Props to iopq and para for having the best taste in women. |
and the winner is....? |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 8:37pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
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| BB probably has diamonds and button is repping 7x but may just have nothing. I hate preflop though if the button actually has a 7 in his hand. |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 12:31am Post subject:
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| griffey24 wrote: | | pocketfours wrote: | | Props to spenda and griffey for solid thinking and good comments. Props to iopq and para for having the best taste in women. |
and the winner is....? |
iopq avatar is the cutest, not close. |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 12:34am Post subject:
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| Massimo wrote: | | BB probably has diamonds and button is repping 7x but may just have nothing. I hate preflop though if the button actually has a 7 in his hand. |
If you hate it then don't vote it. |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 12:37am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
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| pocketfours wrote: | | Massimo wrote: | | BB probably has diamonds and button is repping 7x but may just have nothing. I hate preflop though if the button actually has a 7 in his hand. |
If you hate it then don't vote it. |
That's not how it works in America  |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 12:55am Post subject:
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| Massimo wrote: | | pocketfours wrote: | | Massimo wrote: | | BB probably has diamonds and button is repping 7x but may just have nothing. I hate preflop though if the button actually has a 7 in his hand. |
If you hate it then don't vote it. |
That's not how it works in America |
looooooooooooooolllllllllllllll |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 9:13am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| pocketfours wrote: | | griffey24 wrote: | | pocketfours wrote: | | Props to spenda and griffey for solid thinking and good comments. Props to iopq and para for having the best taste in women. |
and the winner is....? |
iopq avatar is the cutest, not close. |
Oh man I so disagree.... but I meant results |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 10:02am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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griffey is spot on
I really wouldn't call river without a boat. |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 2:14pm Post subject:
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| He's calling the 4bet OOP, this can't be 77, 88, 87s, QJs. I hate to be the nit of the bunch, but it really seems like AA (BB) and KK (BU) are the most likely holdings and the river raise is just a bluff shove. |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 7:34pm Post subject:
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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (Button) ($930)
SB ($697.30)
BB ($699.10)
UTG ($328.20)
MP ($74)
CO ($1401.60)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 8
3 folds, Hero bets $8, 1 fold, BB raises to $40, Hero raises to $112, BB calls $72
Flop: ($226) 6, K, 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($226) 10 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
River: ($226) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $208, BB raises to $587.10 (All-In), Hero calls $379.10
Total pot: $1400.20 | Rake: $3
Results:
Hero had A, 8 (flush, Ace high).
BB had 8 , 8 (two pair, eights and sevens).
Outcome: Hero won $1397.20 |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 7:45pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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boooooooooooooooooooooom
P4's what are your thoughts about 3betting hands like 66-99 against a button minraise from a solid player like yourself? |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 7:51pm Post subject:
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Season VIII
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
Posts: 2260
WPP: 148
Location: Im opedipus bitch, the original balla.
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| pocketfours wrote: | | griffey24 wrote: | | pocketfours wrote: | | Props to spenda and griffey for solid thinking and good comments. Props to iopq and para for having the best taste in women. |
and the winner is....? |
iopq avatar is the cutest, not close. |
Just gonna throw this out there... Iopq has a history of putting up transexuals as avatars. |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 7:59pm Post subject:
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| bigspenda73 wrote: | boooooooooooooooooooooom
P4's what are your thoughts about 3betting hands like 66-99 against a button minraise from a solid player like yourself? |
Very nice spenda, very very nice. You outplayed some serious sharks in this hand. I would of course never 4bet 87s this deep in position, just like you said. I also can't understand why people think I would slowplay the flop or the turn.
I think 3betting 66-99 is fine if you want to maintain a maniac image, but it just sucks so bad to be 4bet this deep. |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 8:01pm Post subject:
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| XxStacksxX wrote: |
Just gonna throw this out there... Iopq has a history of putting up transexuals as avatars. |
What's wrong with transsexuals? |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 8:36pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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| btw, don't forget to play some gauntlet this year P4's |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 9:11pm Post subject:
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Season VIII
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
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WPP: 148
Location: Im opedipus bitch, the original balla.
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| pocketfours wrote: | | XxStacksxX wrote: |
Just gonna throw this out there... Iopq has a history of putting up transexuals as avatars. |
What's wrong with transsexuals? |
Nothing... Just wanted to let you know. |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 10:07pm Post subject:
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| XxStacksxX wrote: | | pocketfours wrote: | | XxStacksxX wrote: |
Just gonna throw this out there... Iopq has a history of putting up transexuals as avatars. |
What's wrong with transsexuals? |
Nothing... Just wanted to let you know. |
I'd still hit it. |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 10:07pm Post subject:
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| bigspenda73 wrote: | | btw, don't forget to play some gauntlet this year P4's |
Why, you like loosing?  |
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Posted: Sun, 05 Jul 2009, 2:38am Post subject:
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{NSFW - nipple}
Joined: 11 Jun 2005
Posts: 2186
WPP: 107
Location: The Loser's Lounge
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| pocketfours wrote: | | bigspenda73 wrote: | | btw, don't forget to play some gauntlet this year P4's |
Why, you like loosing? |
Nah, he needs all the help he can get to knock me out of my superior placing in the leader board.
Edit: In before Stacks makes some stupid comment about how he's in 1st even though his luckbox ass should have been rightfully knocked out by me in the 3rd game and even though he's played more games than me so suck it tagfish!!!
Edit #2: Also in before he makes reference to that damn 67o hand or the T8o vs T7s hand. |
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Posted: Sun, 05 Jul 2009, 3:56am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 05 Jul 2006
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Location: Pwnsylvania
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| pocketfours wrote: | | bigspenda73 wrote: | | btw, don't forget to play some gauntlet this year P4's |
Why, you like loosing? |
I could lose to you all day big boy |
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Posted: Sun, 05 Jul 2009, 4:22am Post subject:
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Strike 3
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| pocketfours wrote: | | XxStacksxX wrote: | | pocketfours wrote: | | XxStacksxX wrote: |
Just gonna throw this out there... Iopq has a history of putting up transexuals as avatars. |
What's wrong with transsexuals? |
Nothing... Just wanted to let you know. |
I'd still hit it. |
it's not as funny if they don't act shocked  |
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Posted: Sun, 05 Jul 2009, 9:20am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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Posted: Sun, 05 Jul 2009, 11:59am Post subject:
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Season VIII
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
Posts: 2260
WPP: 148
Location: Im opedipus bitch, the original balla.
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| Galapogos wrote: |
Edit: In before Stacks makes some stupid comment about how he's in 1st even though his luckbox ass should have been rightfully knocked out by me in the 3rd game and even though he's played more games than me so suck it tagfish!!!
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Your such a hater. And I was peer pressured into playing the PLO tourney, which I have no PLO experience whatsoever. So given my terrible score in that, you might just have a shot. I mean I doubt it because I'm going to busto your candy ass in the nlhe event later tonight, but who knows? Maybe you will run good one time? |
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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| i don't understand why you never 4bet 87s but 4bet A8s. They play virtually the same calling here (very well). |
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Renton wrote: | | i don't understand why you never 4bet 87s but 4bet A8s. They play virtually the same calling here (very well). |
thats true, i prob wouldnt 4bet either of them |
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Posted: Sun, 05 Jul 2009, 1:37pm Post subject:
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2009
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4-of-a-Kind
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| But we have A hi, who needs blockers ! |
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
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| Alexos wrote: | | Renton wrote: | | i don't understand why you never 4bet 87s but 4bet A8s. They play virtually the same calling here (very well). |
thats true, i prob wouldnt 4bet either of them |
QFT
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Posted: Sun, 05 Jul 2009, 8:47pm Post subject:
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One Pair
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| Renton wrote: | | i don't understand why you never 4bet 87s but 4bet A8s. They play virtually the same calling here (very well). |
My comment is still valid: it should be obvious that I don't 4bet 87s. The same isn't true for A8s, regardless of whether your statement holds, which I think it does. |
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yeah its tough to put you on a flush here, since the standard 4bet range are big hands and raggy offsuit air.
his shove seems pretty terrible since you are only gonna have air or a hand thats never folding when you bet that amount (for that reason i don't really care for your size). He should have just called if he wanted to get fancy. |
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| Renton wrote: | yeah its tough to put you on a flush here, since the standard 4bet range are big hands and raggy offsuit air.
his shove seems pretty terrible since you are only gonna have air or a hand thats never folding when you bet that amount (for that reason i don't really care for your size). He should have just called if he wanted to get fancy. |
I agree 100%, and I don't quite get some of the comments to the opposite. |
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