($11) Rough hands (AQ, AQ)

what do you do in these hands?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero (t1450)
BB (t470)
UTG (t1375)
UTG+1 (t1255)
MP1 (t2190)
MP2 (t3745)
CO (t1245)
Button (t1770)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, Q

.
5 folds, Button raises to t125, Hero calls t100, 1 fold.

Flop: (t300) 3

, 7

, 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t300) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (t300) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets t200, Button raises to t500, Hero calls t300.

Final Pot: t1300

Villian hasn't been particularly aggressive lately.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB (t2640)
Hero (t1085)
UTG (t1390)
MP (t1890)
CO (t3890)
Button (t2605)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, J

.
4 folds, SB raises to t200, Hero raises to t1085,

1) I would try and win the pot at some point, usually re raise pre flop. As played after he checks behind on the flop, the turn is an auto bet. Unless you have a huge bluffer read (in which case again 3 bet pre) river is a c/c. Remember on the river it doesn't matter how good your hand is, it only matters how it compares to villain's calling range.

2) any play besides a shove is bad.

Hand 1 - I tend to just shove back preflop. As played, I think I play it weak and play the flop and turn as you did, but I agree with drmcboy that the river is a check/call. I don't think that I bet the turn as we still have some outs on the river and I don't want to be C-Red off the hand on the turn.

Hand 2 - Easy shove back for me too.

Hand 1 - calling is not good because you'll play OOP.. If this raise was coming from an earlier position I would consider folding but at the button people might raise lots of hands so I would probably push.. One thing to add though.. His raise size is weird.. Any type of player usually make it at least 150 pre-flop.. His raise looks like he wants some action.. if he has the goods don't forget to take a note..

Hand 2 - He is raising sooooooo many hands here BvB.. So I also think it's an easy push..

Hand1: As everyone else said, raise preflop, I would bet flop, and if you check flop bet turn, as drmcboy said river is c/c, becuase you will usually get called by hands that beat/tie with you

Hand2: Standard

in hand one, if I make it 475 to go, do I call a shove?

oh nvm, thought you meant hand 2!

short answer, yes

For those of you saying you are going to re-raise pre-flop for hand 1 - are you raising or shoving? If you are raising consider these two scenarios:

1) What are you doing if he shoves after your raise? You've now put in almost 1/3 of your stack, I assume you call?

2) What if they call with position. Now you have about 1k left and 800 in the pot and are out of position so what is your plan on the flop?

Seems easier to me to call and re-evaluate on the flop. If it wasn't a full table I wouldn't think too much about re-raising but it is early.

Just curious.

how are you exploiting me shoving all flops I miss? Your fear of the stop and go has become a little weird honestly. Just try it for a week, people call and fold a LOT.

but the FE is vs hands you want in (worse As and KQ-) and against hands that you'll almost always beat with the stop and go (or I guess go and go here) anyway, smaller PPs. And we gain some FE vs 77-JJ if he's dumb enough to cold call with them, and lose 0 since we can assume he's calling as shove with those anyway. What hands could he hold where shoving is better?

Personally out of the 3 options discussed I would not be re-raising all in risking my stack for what is in the pot. I'd prefer just calling and playing from there but I don't think re-raising and then shoving flop is bad either. I just prefer the former...

Guess I misread the hand a little because I thought Hero was BB. This changes things for me in favor of re-raising ( still not all-in though ).

Anyway, assuming I call and choose to play the hand passively I check all those flops and trap with a). Not sure which suits are in the B.

What I meant by playing passively is let him take the lead if I choose to just call instead of re-raise. I'll check raise flops with nothing if I've seen him cbet before but I have to have a read.

help me out because it seems like you just said you're shoving because we have FE and because they'll call with weak hands. Also having them call with Ax and random BWs rather than call a 3 bet then fold increases your variance.

If we 3-bet and they call, what flops are we prepared to shove? I have on occasion done this but I don't remember the outcome.

100 %, although if you flop TP+ and the board is dry you're probably better off giving him a chance to bluff. That's especially true if it comes Q high because he'll often think you have AK or JJ after you check.

If you only shove some flops when you miss then open shoving would be better, you can't guess which flops hit him. The same flops that are bad to shove if he has KJ are the ones you want to shove if he has AT or 66

Yeah I figured we'd be shoving 100% here. I guess you give yourself 2 ways to win this pot - re-raising preflop and if he calls you shove flop hoping he missed or you hit.

In theory sounds good, not sure how it works out in practice though.

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