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kevster
Post Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 4:27am    Post subject: $11 ICM Spot Reply with quote
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Easy shove or easy fold?

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Button (t4435)
SB (t4280)
Hero (BB) (t1875)
UTG (t2910)

Hero's M: 5.21

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, Q
2 folds, SB raises to t480, Hero ??
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baudib
Post Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 4:35am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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It sucks hard but fold.
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taipan168
Post Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 5:06am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Very read dependent on SB has been playing. If opp has been open minraising your BB very often or has otherwise been aggressive then I shove back. If he/she has been tight then it's an easy fold.
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gingerwizard
Post Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 5:40am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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without a read, your way ahead of average SB raising range into short stack here so it's a push. If you read the guy as tight and/or clever then I'm worried and it's a fold. I.e. if he's clever he knows you shove back wide, so he'd only minraise with the goods.
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taipan168
Post Posted: Tue, 02 Dec 2008, 5:49am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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gingerwizard wrote:
without a read, your way ahead of average SB raising range into short stack here so it's a push. If you read the guy as tight and/or clever then I'm worried and it's a fold. I.e. if he's clever he knows you shove back wide, so he'd only minraise with the goods.

You know this already, but ranges need to take into account the ICM effect as well as plain ol' chip EV...
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