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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 1:34pm Post subject: 100NL, what else can i do with 99 ?
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Full House
Joined: 06 Jun 2007
Posts: 1448
WPP: 63
Location: NS, Canada
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villian is a regular running 17/14/5.1. His 3 bet% is 3%. Do you think that my 99 is good enough to stand the heat given that villian DB on this drawy board?
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (Button) ($107.60)
SB ($121.95)
BB ($127.15)
UTG ($160.45)
UTG+1 ($98.50)
MP1 ($121.80)
MP2 ($124.35)
CO ($106.95)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 9 , 9
5 folds, Hero bets $3, 1 fold, BB raises $10, Hero calls $8
Flop: ($22.50) 5, 2, 7 (2 players)
BB bets $14, Hero calls $14
Turn: ($50.50) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $23, Hero shove, fold or call ? |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 3:22pm Post subject:
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Strike 3
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
Posts: 5869
WPP: 52
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I don't know, if you're not shoving here, why are you playing 99 to a 3b at all
you have 15 outs vs. black aces and you're ahead of a naked ace of hearts
but folding pf is not bad either since 3% is JJ+,AK exactly (sample size?) |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 5:59pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Apr 2009
Posts: 87
WPP: 44
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| iopq wrote: | I don't know, if you're not shoving here, why are you playing 99 to a 3b at all
you have 15 outs vs. black aces and you're ahead of a naked ace of hearts
but folding pf is not bad either since 3% is JJ+,AK exactly (sample size?) | Agree with the first part. Disagree the second because 3% is his overall 3b% but vs. a button raise it has to widen. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 6:08pm Post subject:
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Strike 3
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
Posts: 5869
WPP: 52
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| jessyj wrote: | | iopq wrote: | I don't know, if you're not shoving here, why are you playing 99 to a 3b at all
you have 15 outs vs. black aces and you're ahead of a naked ace of hearts
but folding pf is not bad either since 3% is JJ+,AK exactly (sample size?) | Agree with the first part. Disagree the second because 3% is his overall 3b% but vs. a button raise it has to widen. | can't widen or overall would be higher
DUCY |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 6:26pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 01 Apr 2008
Posts: 1486
WPP: 98
Location: on teh button... steelin ur blindz
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There are definitely guys who only 3b KK, AA in any other spot, but will defend their blinds. I'd look at the vs-steal 3b if you got enough hands.
I def. fold oop, I might fold if he 3b from the sb, but I think you can call here.
As played... yeah... shove fold or call. 
I have no idea. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 7:01pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Apr 2009
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WPP: 44
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| iopq wrote: | | jessyj wrote: | | iopq wrote: | I don't know, if you're not shoving here, why are you playing 99 to a 3b at all
you have 15 outs vs. black aces and you're ahead of a naked ace of hearts
but folding pf is not bad either since 3% is JJ+,AK exactly (sample size?) | Agree with the first part. Disagree the second because 3% is his overall 3b% but vs. a button raise it has to widen. | can't widen or overall would be higher
DUCY | No, I don't. If he 3bets 0 from ep and mp then naturally his 3b is wider in other positions. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 7:42pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 06 Jun 2007
Posts: 1448
WPP: 63
Location: NS, Canada
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| This guy was very active and raised a lot at other tables.So I really think that he is capable of 3betting and double barrelling as well with a wide range given his small bet sizing on the turn. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 8:59pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 19 Nov 2008
Posts: 813
WPP: 69
Location: in my dad's account making him manies
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| I'm going to say that you shouldn't call |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 10:09am Post subject:
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Strike 3
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
Posts: 5869
WPP: 52
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| jessyj wrote: | | iopq wrote: | | jessyj wrote: | | iopq wrote: | I don't know, if you're not shoving here, why are you playing 99 to a 3b at all
you have 15 outs vs. black aces and you're ahead of a naked ace of hearts
but folding pf is not bad either since 3% is JJ+,AK exactly (sample size?) | Agree with the first part. Disagree the second because 3% is his overall 3b% but vs. a button raise it has to widen. | can't widen or overall would be higher
DUCY | No, I don't. If he 3bets 0 from ep and mp then naturally his 3b is wider in other positions. | so you're saying he's flatting AA from UTG+1 |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 11:48am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Posts: 3037
WPP: 73
Location: Not Giving In
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 11:55am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 1915
WPP: 60
Location: Montreal
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| iopq wrote: | | jessyj wrote: | | iopq wrote: | | jessyj wrote: | | iopq wrote: | I don't know, if you're not shoving here, why are you playing 99 to a 3b at all
you have 15 outs vs. black aces and you're ahead of a naked ace of hearts
but folding pf is not bad either since 3% is JJ+,AK exactly (sample size?) | Agree with the first part. Disagree the second because 3% is his overall 3b% but vs. a button raise it has to widen. | can't widen or overall would be higher
DUCY | No, I don't. If he 3bets 0 from ep and mp then naturally his 3b is wider in other positions. | so you're saying he's flatting AA from UTG+1 |
r u kidding |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 11:59am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 1915
WPP: 60
Location: Montreal
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| He's saying vs a BTN open he might 3bet 7%, but vs a UTG open he might 0% resulting in 3% 3bet overall in this position... |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 2:36pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Apr 2009
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| iopq wrote: | | jessyj wrote: | | No, I don't. IF he 3bets 0 from ep and mp then naturally his 3b is wider in other positions. | so you're saying he's flatting AA from UTG+1 | See that.
| Quote: | | He's saying vs a BTN open he might 3bet 7%, but vs a UTG open he might 0% resulting in 3% 3bet overall in this position... | This is pretty much what I was saying...
| jessyj wrote: | | 3% is his overall 3b% but vs. a button raise it has to widen. | |
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Posted: Sun, 05 Jul 2009, 1:02am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Posts: 594
WPP: 52
Location: Stavanger, Norway
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| jessyj wrote: | | iopq wrote: | | jessyj wrote: | | No, I don't. IF he 3bets 0 from ep and mp then naturally his 3b is wider in other positions. | so you're saying he's flatting AA from UTG+1 | See that.
| Quote: | | He's saying vs a BTN open he might 3bet 7%, but vs a UTG open he might 0% resulting in 3% 3bet overall in this position... | This is pretty much what I was saying...
| jessyj wrote: | | 3% is his overall 3b% but vs. a button raise it has to widen. | |
Yeah and since this is a oop 3b this becomes <3% 3b. Fold pre |
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Posted: Sun, 05 Jul 2009, 1:07am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 06 Jun 2007
Posts: 1448
WPP: 63
Location: NS, Canada
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Jesus christ, he had AxTh  |
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Posted: Sun, 05 Jul 2009, 4:40am Post subject:
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Strike 3
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
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WPP: 52
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| Alexos wrote: | | iopq wrote: | | jessyj wrote: | | iopq wrote: | | jessyj wrote: | | iopq wrote: | I don't know, if you're not shoving here, why are you playing 99 to a 3b at all
you have 15 outs vs. black aces and you're ahead of a naked ace of hearts
but folding pf is not bad either since 3% is JJ+,AK exactly (sample size?) | Agree with the first part. Disagree the second because 3% is his overall 3b% but vs. a button raise it has to widen. | can't widen or overall would be higher
DUCY | No, I don't. If he 3bets 0 from ep and mp then naturally his 3b is wider in other positions. | so you're saying he's flatting AA from UTG+1 |
r u kidding | no im obv super duper serial
but anyway I think playing 99 here is going to be about as difficult as playing AQo
well it's not like we have any equity at all, it's just going to be really tough and we might have to minraise+1 some flops for protection against getting barreled and folding to a flop 3b or some crazy lines like that
we stack him 1/20 of the time or something when we flop a set
we get stacked the remaining 1/100 of the time
so we gain a stack 3% of the time (flop set and get it in 5% of the time, lose to suck out or higher set 1% of the time) so that's a 3bb profit from set minan
we need to get a 4bb profit from making him fold AK/bluff or show it down without beating us
it's possible because we're IP, but difficult |
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Posted: Sun, 05 Jul 2009, 10:08pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 1915
WPP: 60
Location: Montreal
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| ZwiFT wrote: | | jessyj wrote: | | iopq wrote: | | jessyj wrote: | | No, I don't. IF he 3bets 0 from ep and mp then naturally his 3b is wider in other positions. | so you're saying he's flatting AA from UTG+1 | See that.
| Quote: | | He's saying vs a BTN open he might 3bet 7%, but vs a UTG open he might 0% resulting in 3% 3bet overall in this position... | This is pretty much what I was saying...
| jessyj wrote: | | 3% is his overall 3b% but vs. a button raise it has to widen. | |
Yeah and since this is a oop 3b this becomes <3% 3b. Fold pre |
if his range is QQ+,AK.. its a call preflop
and ur statement is wrong, why would u assume his 3betting of a BTN open would be narrower than an UTG open when its obv wider even if he's oop |
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Posted: Sun, 05 Jul 2009, 10:31pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 06 Jun 2007
Posts: 1448
WPP: 63
Location: NS, Canada
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| folding 99 on BT to SB/BB 3 bet seems very exploitable. |
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Posted: Sun, 05 Jul 2009, 10:51pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 25 Sep 2005
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Location: The Grind
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| ZwiFT wrote: | | Yeah and since this is a oop 3b this becomes <3% 3b. |
Not necessarily. |
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Posted: Sun, 05 Jul 2009, 11:07pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Posts: 594
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Location: Stavanger, Norway
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I need to stop posting when im drunk, I missread and i agree with the prev statement that his 3b% here is wider than his 3b% vs a utg villain.
What i was trying to say is that his btn (ip) 3bet is alot wider which increases his 3b%, where his 3b% vs a utg is thin. Since his ip 3b% is wider this would lower his oop 3b% based on the equation that his total 3b% is 3%, But in this spot still wider than 3%.
For me, this is a call if your player is straight forward postflop. You can win by having the best hand and almost all turncards come to your advantage since you can rep alot of hands. However if this is a tricky opponent all turncards come in his advantage and i'd rather fold this preflop since we have to give him some credit because of his low 3b%. |
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Posted: Mon, 06 Jul 2009, 8:15am Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 02 Aug 2005
Posts: 193
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Location: Lost on the Button
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[quote="pokerfan"]folding 99 on BT to SB/BB 3 bet seems very exploitable.[/quote]
But will they exploit it? |
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Posted: Mon, 06 Jul 2009, 9:50am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Posts: 594
WPP: 52
Location: Stavanger, Norway
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| Seabass wrote: | | pokerfan wrote: | | folding 99 on BT to SB/BB 3 bet seems very exploitable. |
But will they exploit it? |
So is folding QQ/Ak to a btn 3b when your playing from utg. But it's still the correct play most of the situations in today's games. |
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Posted: Mon, 06 Jul 2009, 10:44am Post subject:
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Strike 3
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
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| ZwiFT wrote: | | Seabass wrote: | | pokerfan wrote: | | folding 99 on BT to SB/BB 3 bet seems very exploitable. |
But will they exploit it? |
So is folding QQ/Ak to a btn 3b when your playing from utg. But it's still the correct play most of the situations in today's games. | I actually exploit this in 6m where I'll 3b UTG players maybe 20% of the time light
people do fold a lot because they never suspect you're doing it light if you do it a normal-looking % of the time |
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Posted: Mon, 06 Jul 2009, 11:10am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Posts: 594
WPP: 52
Location: Stavanger, Norway
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| iopq wrote: | | ZwiFT wrote: | | Seabass wrote: | | pokerfan wrote: | | folding 99 on BT to SB/BB 3 bet seems very exploitable. |
But will they exploit it? |
So is folding QQ/Ak to a btn 3b when your playing from utg. But it's still the correct play most of the situations in today's games. | I actually exploit this in 6m where I'll 3b UTG players maybe 20% of the time light
people do fold a lot because they never suspect you're doing it light if you do it a normal-looking % of the time |
I do too =) But most players don't and since im aware of it i think i notice pretty fast if one keeps 3b my utg pretty light ! But until ido my std is just to fold |
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