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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 3:40am Post subject: $100NL - I decide to call twice with JJ preflop
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Full House
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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WPP: 76
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UTG is running 28/12 and insta called the squeeze.
Squeezer seems Laggy running 32/28 with 13% 3bet, but this is a small sample size.
I think UTG is weak with his snap call, so maybe just 4bet preflop?
Thoughts as played?
$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($125.55)
CO ($122.40)
BTN ($110.35)
Hero (SB) ($97.50)
BB ($169.80)
Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is SB  
UTG raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.50, BB raises to $14, UTG calls $11, Hero calls $11
Flop:    ($42, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $30.50, UTG folds, Hero calls $30.50
Turn:  ($103, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $53, Hero calls $53 and is all-in |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 5:26am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 29 May 2006
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Location: surfing in a room
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| I usually fold pre, if however I decide Im gonna continue to that 3bet Id rather 4b/call. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 5:39am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Location: Dublin
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| I dont see how pre isnt a clear fold. I feel dirty saying flop is a fold too. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 7:33am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 29 Nov 2007
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Location: Disturbia
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| I'm really tempted to backraise/call here esp if UTG is an obv fish but meh small sample size. Depending on how strong of a read you have on UTG I like backraising > folding > calling. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 7:42am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Location: Dublin
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| backraising is bad since I figure we have no FE |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 7:50am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 04 May 2007
Posts: 5680
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Location: Ballarat, Australia
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| I got a similar guy to stackoff with ATs preflop when I backraised him, but I felt good about my reads even though it wasnt a large sample. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 8:00am Post subject:
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Flush
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Location: Montreal, Canada
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i don't see how we don't have f/e here PF and we have the best hand a decent portion of the time vs described villain. This seems to be a good spot to backraise.
I don't think we need to worry too much about UTG because he'll usually be 4-betting KK-AA to protect because he knows you will be calling if he calls. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 8:09am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| it just my opinion that this ''laggy'' player isnt squeezing vs utg, imo he is value 3betting. so i think we have very little FE. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 9:47am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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I'm with rav here, very tempted in a backraise pre.
I don't think villain would snap call KK/AA and would certainly at least think about 4betting. QQ is the most likely hand that beats us that I'm worried about.
dagoat - I think you give too much credit to these laggs. If anything he could think his sq looks stronger since its UTG that opened, and do it lighter still. The fact that UTG opened just makes his sq range more polarized I'd imagine.
As played on the flop, it's a pretty crappy spot and I doubt he expects two folds. Don't mind a fold here, sucks. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 10:05am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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| I could be wrong I just beleive that 100nl is the cutoff point for 3betting light in BB by the lag. At 200nl Id accept it. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 12:09pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
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Location: Grinding In New Jersey!!
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 12:48pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| grindinginnj wrote: | | What is a backraise? |
Villain Opens
Hero CALLS
Villain 2 Squeezes
Villain Calls
Hero RAISES |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 12:54pm Post subject:
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Flush
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| griffey24 wrote: | | grindinginnj wrote: | | What is a backraise? |
Villain Opens
Hero CALLS
Villain 2 Squeezes
Villain Calls
Hero RAISES |
Is it still considered a backraise if Villain1 folds to Villain2's squeeze? |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 12:58pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 12:58pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Yaah still a backraise. Pretty sure anytime you call once and then raise after on the same street, it's considered a backraise. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 2:39pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 3:51pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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Location: Ballarat, Australia
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| Very cool v's people who just cant help squeezing, or if you have 2-3 people behind you who are fairly likely to squeeze, but dont overuse it as an excuse to be fancy. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 4:38pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
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| JJ is the nuts in this spot preflop, given reads/stats of villains |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 6:21pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 25 May 2008
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Location: Manc U.K.
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| yeah I'm just jamming this pre after the squeeze and call. |
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Posted: Thu, 05 Nov 2009, 8:08pm Post subject:
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Flush
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Location: Montreal, Canada
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| i see ur point dagoat but i think because this is 5-handed so utg is just the hijack he still can have a relatively wide range. Like griffey said, if utg had called the 3-bet i would be more worried about him having QQ than the squeezer having us beat. |
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Posted: Sat, 07 Nov 2009, 4:45pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Oct 2006
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Definitely jam pre, not even close. You WILL get callled sometimes by pocket 8s, 9s, 10s, AJ+ by some laggy guys who 3bet wide but don't really get why or when its good, or how you are likely to respond
| Quote: | | backraising is bad since I figure we have no FE |
DaGoat, if you do believe we have no FE, this is a FANTASTIC spot to shove vs. a 13% 3bet range |
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Posted: Sat, 07 Nov 2009, 8:20pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| I agree pretty strongly w/ Griffey, Ravageur, Alexos, ATOTHEC101, and mixchange. |
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Posted: Thu, 12 Nov 2009, 12:12am Post subject:
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Straight
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Location: Denmark
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| all in preflop after the 3bet and call. |
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Posted: Thu, 12 Nov 2009, 5:35am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| mixchange wrote: |
DaGoat, if you do believe we have no FE, this is a FANTASTIC spot to shove vs. a 13% 3bet range |
lets let this thread die but ill just say i think he def doesnt have 13% in this spot. imo he holds big nut hands. |
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Posted: Thu, 12 Nov 2009, 10:18am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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| backkrrraaaaiiiiisssseeee |
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