100NL, Cry call or fold in these awkward spots ??

hand 1: villain is a loose passive donk running 42/12/0.8 over 140 hands. Do you guys think i was pot-stuck ?

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UTG ($188.50)
Hero ($111)
CO ($118.05)
Button ($14.20)
SB ($61.40)
BB ($61.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q

, Q

.
UTG raises to $3, Hero raises to $14, 4 folds, UTG calls $11.

Flop: ($29.50) Q

, T

, K

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $23, UTG calls $23.

Turn: ($75.50) A

(2 players)
UTG bets $151.5 (All-In), Hero ?

hand 2: opponent is a heavy multitabling TA regular running 12/9/3.3 over 3000 hands. Seriously, i've never seen this guy play this way before and had no history in 3 bet or 4 bet situations. Did he really trap me into calling his 150BB deep shove?
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SB ($17.50)
BB ($95.60)
UTG ($97.90)
UTG+1 ($142.05)
MP1 ($106.75)
Hero ($154.50)
CO ($44.40)
Button ($31.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K

, K

.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $14, 4 folds, UTG+1 raises to $142.05, Hero ?

hand 3: villain is 14/11/2 over 130 hands. it looked like he 3 bet a lot. Is this a EV+ move in these BVB situations.

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MP1 ($101.85)
MP2 ($65)
CO ($98.50)
Hero ($98.90)
SB ($134.50)
BB ($44.25)
UTG ($134.10)
UTG+1 ($115.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, K

.
4 folds, CO raises to $3, Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, CO raises to $27, Hero raises to $98.9

Hand 1 call

hand 2 you might be able to find a fold when its all early action like this, against a 12/9... although it has a lot to do with your image at the time as well.

hand 3 is well played imo.

CALL

SNAP CALL

FOLD

my image in hand 2 was solid TA and didnt do anything out of line. By the way, its my first 3 bet against his ep raise.

hand 1 is a call

hand 2 - What is your 3betting range in this situation? My immediate thoughts here are he is likely to think you are not going to be 3betting wide here at all and therefore it makes 0 sense to shove anything but AA (which makes 0.1 sense.) It depends a lot on your image/stats.

3 - Depends on image again. If you haven't been pounding on him just calling is fine, depends on what you percieve your FE to be like and that's kind of impossible to comment on. Personally I'd be fistpumping this every time because it's the nuts compared to most of my 3betting range in this spot. Also I think your 3bet size is overkill, you have position and you make it nearly 5x his raise??

Yeah, 3 is very much an "it depends" spot for me. Given the information we have I lay it down.

Flatting is fine if we don't give up unimproved too often.
Shoving is at worst a moderate error.

Type in chat "This should cover your Calculus textbook" and call.

hmmm he always seemed decent, i dunno why he'd shove AA instead of 4betting or flatting but there's no way he's shoving anything else here particularly if you run 12/8. I think this is a fold, if it is a call it is really, really marginal.

I'll try to say this as nice as possible due to our past. You''re still going to have to explain it, saying it twice instead of once doesn't make it true or make me a believer that it's correct.

I usually agree with miffed and I'll try and explain why.

I think the whole idea of not 3bet/folding good hands is the concept of not turning your hand into a bluff. Once you threebet with this hand, you are committed to an extent. If 3betting is going to force out all worse for instance, then it is often a terrible idea to threebet such as hands such as QQ against an nits UTG raise for example. If you do 3bet it's because you decide that you're ahead of his stacking off range, since we don't expect him to be calling OOP much we'd essentially have turned QQ into a bluff here if we 3bet folded 100BB deep.

In this example though, I think he is going to be calling our threebet with almost his entire opening range - He will probably fold AQ and maybe AK, but that's about it. The question is really do we want him to be setmining in this way against us so deep. I guess we're never really going to win a big pot unimproved here since most 12/8s are going to have a 3betting range of KK+ here, maybe AKs or QQ. Perhaps it is more profitable to call and play poker postflop, especially if we don't intend on stacking off here preflop.

i agree with gametight here. you are easily ahead of his 3b calling range but can be destroyed by his 4b shoving range.

i believe the 3b for value but not calling a shove is very flawed logic.
it is assuming that his 3b call range = 4b shove range.

speculative 3b calling range for 12/9/3 (TT-QQ,AKo) 21% v KK.
speculative 4b shoving range for 12/9/3 (KK+,AKs) 67% v KK.
you can manipulate these ranges as you wish but i think for the most part you will see a similar result.

ftr.
fold
fold
fine

in hand 2, i suspect villain wanted to give the impression that he 4 bet /shoved with a wide range from UTG1.Unless he misclicked big time, i aggree with everything you guys said above.

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