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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 2:03pm Post subject: 100NL, BVB war
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Full House
Joined: 06 Jun 2007
Posts: 1449
WPP: 63
Location: NS, Canada
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villian is a regular running 15/9/3.7. His steal% is 34%. Is 3 bet a standard play in these spots? Now we have open ended straight draw with a King but the guy likes his hand a lot. fold or shove?
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG+1 ($108.50)
MP1 ($55.20)
MP2 ($101.05)
CO ($117.45)
Button ($102.50)
SB ($129.65)
Hero (BB) ($110.30)
UTG ($100)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 10 , K
6 folds, SB bets $2.50, Hero raises $12, SB calls $10
Flop: ($26) J , 8 , 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $14, SB raises $54, Hero ? |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 2:34pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Posts: 2127
WPP: 48
Location: Gainesville
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| i dont know what I'd do on the flop because preflop is horrible imo |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 2:39pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 12 Aug 2008
Posts: 290
WPP: 44
Location: stealing blinds from UTG
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| I just started grinding 50NL so its my first post in this forum...but 5xish 3bet??? why? |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 4:34pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Posts: 1614
WPP: 61
Location: Cheshire, UK
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| Deanglow wrote: | | i dont know what I'd do on the flop because preflop is horrible imo | |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 4:59pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 05 Jan 2009
Posts: 2214
WPP: 81
Location: sigh..nit ring
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 5:06pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 06 Jun 2007
Posts: 1449
WPP: 63
Location: NS, Canada
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| so you guys rarely 3bet with KTo vs 34% steal players eve it's bb vs sb? |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 5:15pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 05 Jan 2009
Posts: 2214
WPP: 81
Location: sigh..nit ring
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Well as stated your 3bet is too big.
Does this flop not bitchslap villains calling range? I mean, I know we have an OESD but I don't think we should automatically be like omg cbet because we have outs.
The choice of whether to 3bet KT here would be dependent on how often villain folds to 3bets, and how he plays 3bet pots out of position postflop. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 5:17pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 17 Aug 2007
Posts: 2572
WPP: 145
Location: GA
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Most of us 3b a good bit in this spot, but KTo doesn't play well against the 3b flatting range we'll face. With position, however, it plays pretty well against his stealing range when we just call.
And if I 3b with some other holding, I'm making it $7.50 or thereabouts. A huge 3b like yours just guarantees we only continue against a range that has us completely crushed. Why fold out all the hands we can beat? |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 5:44pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Posts: 1614
WPP: 61
Location: Cheshire, UK
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| pokerfan wrote: | | so you guys rarely 3bet with KTo vs 34% steal players eve it's bb vs sb? |
Yes but dont 3b 2.5bb to 12bb |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 6:05pm Post subject:
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Strike 3
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
Posts: 5869
WPP: 52
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how is this not the most super standard call ever
we have two broadways and we're in position |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 6:13pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 17 Aug 2007
Posts: 2572
WPP: 145
Location: GA
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| iopq wrote: | how is this not the most super standard call ever
we have two broadways and we're in position |
IOPQ and I agree on something.  |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 6:19pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Posts: 2127
WPP: 48
Location: Gainesville
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| It's fine to be polarized when 3betting blind vs blind. like 45s-9Ts and TT-AA, AQs+ and then call every other playable hand. |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 9:01pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 19 Nov 2008
Posts: 813
WPP: 69
Location: in my dad's account making him manies
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| def. not 3b'ing, KT plays fine against his opening range |
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Posted: Fri, 03 Jul 2009, 10:19pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 7006
WPP: 71
Location: Pwnsylvania
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| as purely a bluff it's +EV but not when you make it ~4bb larger than it needs to be |
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Posted: Sat, 04 Jul 2009, 7:37am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 22 Jun 2005
Posts: 7939
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Location: Marry Me Cheryl!!!
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| i dont understand why you dont want to play a fairly good hand in position against someone opening a lot of hands |
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Posted: Wed, 08 Jul 2009, 6:16pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 13 Oct 2005
Posts: 2372
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Location: Here and There
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calling preflop 100% of the time and if I am feeling frisky about 3betting it's not nearly to $12 lolzwtf?
flop is an ez fold cause king is no g00t |
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