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Posted: Mon, 21 Jan 2008, 5:40pm Post subject: 5/10 HU pure metagame play |
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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WPP: 73
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Opp is playing like very loose passive but in a reggy way. He is playing relatively loose preflop, raising prob 75% of BU but calling 12% from the BB, and threeebetting very little, he's only threebet once in our match. We're across two tables and i have the feeling we're going to be playing for awhile. He is folding way way too much, i have been threebetting him a lot and he's folding 90% of the time. He has not bluffed yet but has been making standard call downs.
Pretty much I feel like this may be taking a stand, but i highly doubt enough to the point where this play is remotely +EV. Although, I am betting that he has AK a lot of the time we felt. BUT metagame looks really good here. This is the first time he's fourbet me in like 200 hands and im felting 34s??? Seems to send a message that im not folding at all and he's going to just play straightforward because i am a "maniac," leaving me in an extremely +EV match. Is this as important as I think it is?
PokerStars Game #14728403182: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/01/21 - 19:24:52 (ET)
Table 'Iapetus V' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Thousandair1 ($960 in chips)
Seat 2: heybude ($2285.50 in chips)
Thousandair1: posts small blind $5
heybude: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heybude [3d 4d]
Thousandair1: raises $20 to $30
heybude: raises $80 to $110
Thousandair1: raises $140 to $250
heybude: raises $2035.50 to $2285.50 and is all-in |
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Posted: Mon, 21 Jan 2008, 6:05pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 1951
WPP: 54
Location: Dizzy
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| its ok, but id still fold |
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Posted: Tue, 22 Jan 2008, 12:04am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Posts: 252
WPP: 261
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I was thinking lately about doing this just for the sake of it, to put a bad beat on a guy and to turn a loose passive "nit"? into a tilty calling station. If you are prepared to take the worst of it for his tilting implied odds. It sounds stupid, I know. But I know that if I lose, I will have a great image and won't steam as much as he will when I win.
Also, if there is any chance he is just playing back at your 3bets without a hand, I love it. |
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Posted: Tue, 22 Jan 2008, 6:53am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
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Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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| You could have bought 2 Shaun Deebs with that. |
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Posted: Tue, 22 Jan 2008, 8:15am Post subject: |
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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WPP: 73
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| The Odds God wrote: | I was thinking lately about doing this just for the sake of it, to put a bad beat on a guy and to turn a loose passive "nit"? into a tilty calling station. If you are prepared to take the worst of it for his tilting implied odds. It sounds stupid, I know. But I know that if I lose, I will have a great image and won't steam as much as he will when I win.
Also, if there is any chance he is just playing back at your 3bets without a hand, I love it. |
My thoughts are more the opposite, that he continues to not even consider playing back or bluffing, because I'm not folding. I'm very happy to play a loose passive player who doesn't bluff. |
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Posted: Tue, 22 Jan 2008, 8:15am Post subject: |
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EAT BUGS
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Posts: 7807
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Location: trying to live
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| sometimes you just know when they dont have it, maybe this is one of those times |
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Posted: Tue, 22 Jan 2008, 10:08am Post subject: |
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One Pair
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
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I like it. Many players can't play their A-game after losing here and this is certainly not very much -EV since he only needs to fold about 55% of the time for this to be profitable.
EV wise it's usually better to 5-bet bluff with a small pair (in heads up).
I also think that if he folds, but still continues 4-betting with the same frequency, that you should continue 5-bet bluffing him every now and then until he calls once. |
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Posted: Tue, 22 Jan 2008, 10:33am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 01 Feb 2007
Posts: 252
WPP: 261
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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | The Odds God wrote: | I was thinking lately about doing this just for the sake of it, to put a bad beat on a guy and to turn a loose passive "nit"? into a tilty calling station. If you are prepared to take the worst of it for his tilting implied odds. It sounds stupid, I know. But I know that if I lose, I will have a great image and won't steam as much as he will when I win.
Also, if there is any chance he is just playing back at your 3bets without a hand, I love it. |
My thoughts are more the opposite, that he continues to not even consider playing back or bluffing, because I'm not folding. I'm very happy to play a loose passive player who doesn't bluff. |
Yeah, sure, you can stop maniacs or superaggressive players from bluffing you that way. But generally, loose passive type nit will call you down more when you make that play, I believe. The way you described villain, doesn't seem like you should be afraid of him bluffing you, but you should encourage him to call you more and this is a good play to encourage that, epsecially if you win and get him on tilt. I don't know if I made my point clear. |
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Posted: Wed, 06 Feb 2008, 12:32am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 30 May 2006
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What? He plays ridic tight against 3bets and you want to get him off his hand here? No. For metagame, value stacking yourself is not the way to do it.
Or am I missing something? Is this not a completely standard 'tight player shows up with hand' situation? |
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Posted: Wed, 06 Feb 2008, 2:25am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 22 Jan 2005
Posts: 947
WPP: 117
Location: Vancouver
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| gabe wrote: | | sometimes you just know when they dont have it, maybe this is one of those times |
no it isn;t |
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Posted: Wed, 06 Feb 2008, 9:36am Post subject: |
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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| i'm interested in results... |
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Posted: Wed, 06 Feb 2008, 9:57am Post subject: |
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6085
WPP: 73
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| He called with A9s so lol at my play. |
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Posted: Wed, 06 Feb 2008, 10:29am Post subject: |
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EAT BUGS
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
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| Bmxicle wrote: | | gabe wrote: | | sometimes you just know when they dont have it, maybe this is one of those times |
no it isn;t |
wrong ! |
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Posted: Wed, 06 Feb 2008, 12:29pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 22 Jan 2005
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Location: Vancouver
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